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kimberleyann
on 6/2/11 12:51 am - Kingston, NS, Canada
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
 Good luck, with volunteering to help enter refferals into database.  I am sure they will appreciate the assistance. I wish I was in the city so I could also volunteer. 

    
       

   
   

nannydeb
on 6/2/11 12:35 am - Canada
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
I spent an hour talking with "someone" at the clinic after I went for my appointment with Dr. Ellsmere.  Believe me they are as frustrated as`we are, but the people who pay the bills make the rules.  MSI tells them how many surgery's they can do and what is the criteria.  I have to say that I am totally insulted that anyone considers this a "private country club".  Yes, I've had my surgery, but I waited  years just like everyone else.
I spoke with them this morning about volunteering some admin time to enter the referrals in their database, call people, and help them with some other things.  I know some of you think this is a waste of time, but it's not to me.  By the time I got home there was an e-mail telling me they would love to have my help.  It may not be a lot, but at least it's something.

coreena691
on 6/1/11 11:31 pm, edited 6/1/11 11:34 pm - Beaver Bank, Canada
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
Thanks Carly!

Of course I'm not the only one left out of the "private country club". There are thousands of us that keep on suffering (malnutrition due to excessive vommiting) because they can't find the care or know Dr. MacDonald can help in Amherst. It took me 3 years to finally learn he was still an active surgeon in this province, and that he would actually do something called a "revision". My family doctor had no idea where to turn and I only found out because I started a support group! Otherwise, I'd still be walking around with my fistula, puking 3-4 times/week if I tried to eat more than mush and my stomach attached to my liver!!!!!!! I had suffered from GERD since 1993 with severe spasms, and had Dr. Curry do a scope test which hurt like Hell, when he rammed that scope down through my band or staples!! He said I had GERD but didn't know how to treat it with a "pouch & band". Medication never worked and it's literally destroyed my beautiful teeth due to the acid!!! I had to live like this in silence for 17 years with many nights curled up in a ball because the pain was so bad and just had to wait out the spasms. Thankfully my sleeve removed this problem of a blind stomach and I can't express in words how good I feel to finally be NORMAL!

Right now while I'm in recovery waiting for my stomach to completely heal (seal together), I face a high risk of if I got a leak, I would have to high-tail my ass to Amherst for treatment! Yup! QEII will not treat it, even though they're doing the same surgery I've had.

And anyone, I mean ANYONE WHO'S had surgery out of province is TOLD TO RETURN TO THE CLINIC OF SURGERY. One lady I know had her bypass in INDIA....if she had a rupture or stricture, she has to fly back to India for help. I see this as neglect. It makes no sense and we should not have to move and follow our surgeons!

I'm not just looking at how it directly affects me, I'm more upset with what's happening today with this LIST and how shoddy this clinic is being run!!!! I'm still questioning how they're also part of an outside program which has nothing to do with bariatric surgery or MSI.

Just let me tell you, if I ever develop a stomach problem, I WILL go to my hospital that I pay taxes for, in Halifax, and I will not leave until I am treated! I'm sure it would make the news because I wouldn't back down!

Keep going Chris, don't let anything get in your way now! Honeybee, take care and best of luck with your banding!! We have a couple support group members who've done the same thing!
VBG June 1991 - Revision to VSG May 12, 2011
 
   
              
kimberleyann
on 6/1/11 11:24 pm - Kingston, NS, Canada
Carly ~
on 6/1/11 12:33 pm, edited 6/1/11 12:33 am
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
On a sidenote, more sickening than my referral being sent in 1998, and Honeybee's being sent in 1996 --- Coreena's initial surgery was done in Halifax by the former surgeon who was the only surgeon in the province to perform these surgeries for years.
Coreena's care will not be followed up by any member of the 'Obesity Network Team' at the QE2. I
I can't imagine having a liver transplant in Alberta, relocating to Halifax, and having no liver specialist here take care of you because they didn't perform the actual surgery. That scenario isn't even close to what happened to her. Imagine a liver transplant doctor, working out of the QE2 relocating to the US where they are better paid, only to have the hospital here unwilling to assist in your aftercare.
I despise the actions of the people managing the 'Obesity Clinic'. They make like it's a private country club, and I don't feel like it's fair or treating all of us equally. I've stayed quiet for over a decade. I've felt beaten down, defeated, abandoned. I can't wait until I'm strong enough to have my ***** spite.. and fight back. It's slowly resurfacing. Every once in awhile it peeks in and rants -- such as today : )
Carly ~
on 6/1/11 12:26 pm
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
Chris, you would be placed ahead of me because of your diabetes.  I don't get how you were called against other people who were longer on the waiting list.  Being called upon to start the process so soon is great for you, but unfair to other people with same health issues.
Depends on how long you are living out of province, but I wouldn't share that with anyone on here. You've come too far to lose your place if someone messes it up.
I just don't agree with anyone being done out of province, unless MSI would cover people from Nova Scotia to be done where we could be operated on in a more timely manner.

The clinic has all of my information and backup  contact information.  
When I got the specialist, my family doctor and I calling and sending in additional information to update my file -- explaining why I should be moved to the primary list -- is when I got the information from Dianne stating to go on the Stage 3 liquid diet indefinitely, and maybe I wouldn't need surgery afterall.  

The only other thing I was offered was to be part of some trial weight loss program that models after a Toronto program.  Dianne said to be excited about being asked to participate, because it was a select few people being asked to take the program.  It was supposed to start last August, when they called me with a price for it.... almost $4,000.00 -- to which MSI doesn't cover, nor could I afford.   It was the last time I heard from the clinic here.  
The whole thing sickens me.  Don't rock the boat now, because you're less than a year away from being operated on. 

Chris, I am truly happy for you to be starting this journey.  I truly am.   My frustration is with Capital Health Obesity Network, not the patients who have been chosen to have the surgery done.  I do my very best, although at times it's difficult, to dust myself off and celebrate their success along their journies.  I'll do the same for you.

Honeybee, I'm sorry that you've been waiting so long, but congratuations for taking things into your own hands and having it done on your own.  June is just around the corner, so your new, healthier life awaits you : ) 
nickola1
on 6/1/11 11:56 am - Riverview, Canada
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
 Hi Carly, 

Yeah I totally get you and I know you aren't judging.  I can't beleive that you've been on the referral list since 1997!!! That is completely unacceptable!  Stupid question, but are you certain they have it? 

Funny thing is to that I should add, is that mom did get the call last week from Diana explaining that she no longer qualified for the procedure because they hadn't recognized before that she was out of province.  What's that all about?  It took them a year and an invite to figure that out.  She's been thinking for over the past year that she could do this and come to find out a year later, she in fact could not.  So no she waits for the Moncton site.  So if it's any consolation, they did do the right thing and removed mom from the list altogether.   Their charts, files, and info seems very disorganized and I fear that their rankings may not be cons****  It's a theory.  They cannot be maintaining our info in a database at all.  It's impossible.  As a health care provider myself (Respiratory Therapist), I have never in all my experience working in hospitals ever had such difficulty in receiving correct information or complete incompetence.  And honestly, I feel like I can not say a word.  I feel like they can hold this surgery over me and if I am not condusive to their "program," I would be relinquished of the opportunity for this surgery.  They shouldn't and god knows there are regulations and enforcements to prevent it, but people can still negatively affect your life.  

Now after surgery, I am going to have a few things to personally say to "the team."  And trust me, nothing will hold me back.  With some diplomacy and much respect, I will make a point (and I cannot wait).  

All in all, I am personally disgusted that you have been waiting since 1997.  That is beyond unacceptable.  Why am I ahead of you??  That makes no sense! 

Looking forward to hearing back from you!!

Chris
 
honeybee123
on 6/1/11 11:42 am - Pictou County, Canada
Adjustable Gastric Band on 06/23/11
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
Hey, I have been referred first to Dr. MacDonald in 1996 (?) and then to the Obesity Clinic in 2005, and never got anything more than a large assessment form and a promise for a consult within a year.  I decided to do the research on the co morbidities, what it costs for surgery, and what it's costing the province in chronic diseases caused or exaserbated by obesity.  Guess what?  Its actually CHEAPER for them to do MORE surgery than to keep up the current programs for overweight people.  I took my findings to the Health department, and have hit a roadblock.  The recognise the numbers, but there is still a lot of discrimination against WLS that needs to be addressed.  I had an assistant to my local MLA say to me, well that's not really in the same category as a 'real' disease, as ppl have done this to themselves.  My reply was that there are ALOT of lifestyle related conditions that are already covered, and this should be too... if I got a spot on my lung, they would remove it before it became cancerous, even if I smoked every day of my life.  This is a double standard, and they need to start realizing that it's not just eat less and exercise more, there are people who need additional tools, such as WLS that will be healthier and in turn cost the system less in the long run.  I seriously want to to raise awareness around this issue, and don't intend to let it go.  I have booked a lap band surgery for the end of June, which I am paying for myself, as it's no longer an option to wait.  270lbs, hypertension, sleep apnea, bad knees, and pre diabetic.  I am done waiting for my own health, but am more than willing to put myself on the line to help others fighting the battle with our health system!!
Do Unto others, before they do Unto you..........lol
    
Carly ~
on 6/1/11 10:16 am, edited 6/1/11 12:50 pm
Topic: RE: Nothing with the Capital Health Obesity Network makes sense...
Hi Chris,

In no way was I intending to single you out as part of the problem, but only to use the story you told as a way to get my point across.   I've read other posts of yours that said that your Mom was being called for an information session in May/June in Halifax as well, so whatever province or however you're handling this is not my concern.  I totally agree with doing whatever needs to be done to take your own life into your own hands, doing what's necessary -- being pro-active and making things happen.  Believe me.... I would do exactly the same thing if I could.  I am not judging anyone for how they make this happen for themselves.  

I was merely using this as an example of how messed up Capital Health Obesity Network is, whether you look at the province someone resides in, what the patient's health issues are, or how long they have waited.  Things at the Obesity Network don't make sense.  I just believe that someone should be regulating how things are done there.

My referral for WLS was sent in February 1998 (1999?).  It went to Dr. MacDonald's office, and when he relocated, it was passed on to the Obesity Network when it was opened.  However, how they place people for surgery is messed up.  I can only talk from personal experience that my health has drastically been failing, and Obesity Network couldn't give one sweet f*ck what is different.  

I agree with having a triage as such, and people's health and willingness to help themselves assessed.  I also am a firm believer that regardless of someone's health or co-morbidities, local people should be treated by their own local healthcare prior to people from other provinces.  Especially since MSI will not cover a patient going from Nova Scotia to any other province because there is an option in place here where they can be treated.  The same should be in reverse.

I've asked how they create their waiting list.  The primary list is for people with co-morbidities by referral date.   That totally makes sense.  The secondary list is for people who don't.  However this list is sorted alphabetically, not by the date of their referral.  There are over 2000 people waiting for surgery, primary list holds steady at about 500.

Picture waiting in the Emergency Room to be seen by a ER doctor for a gall bladder attack, which needs to be dealt with, but ambulances keep coming.  Even ambulances just transferring patients from other hospitals they could have been treated at in their own province.
It would be like the Emerge triaging people alphabetically after the trauma rooms are full.  It's discouraging and sickening and messed up.

Coreena -- what bothers me so much is how you're left out of being able to be followed up or treated by any part of the Obesity Network 'team'.   I think the Obesity Network is a farce.  It infuriates me more than would be suitable to express on here.  
  




coreena691
on 6/1/11 9:45 am - Beaver Bank, Canada
Topic: RE: Sleevers: Do you feel this?
  LMAO!!
VBG June 1991 - Revision to VSG May 12, 2011
 
   
              
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