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Lisey
on 2/28/09 8:51 am - Milwaukee suburb, WI
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS
Oh yes!  I had forgotten about the needing to buy X vitamins & Y shakes from the MC program, & to be fair, it's probably pretty common in a lot of bariatric programs.  Yes, I personally think that's unnecessary.  There certainly will be a fair # of people going through WLS who want the end result *****ally don't know much about how to prepare or care nutritionally for themselves & having the shakes & vitamins be required purchases will ensure that everyone gets what they need nutritionally, but not everybody needs to be held by the hand in order to obtain comparable products for less $$.

My cousin had the RNY about a year ago now.  She had a 38 BMI &, at least on my mom's side of the family, she was the second biggest person following me.  I win hands-down for that one.  My mom has a big family too!  She has 6 full siblings & 3 half siblings.  Of course, all of these siblings are now in their 20's - 30's & have kids of their own, lots of people every Christmas!  She's doing great with it & loves it.  She dumps big time on sugar - 2 cookies is enough to make her dump for 4 hours, but she likes it for the behavioral modification effect.

HW / SW / CW / GW      299 / 287160 / 140     Feb '09 / Mar '09 / Dec '13 /Aug '10          

Appendicitis/Bowel Obstruction Surgery 8/21/10
Beat Hodgkin's Lymphoma!  7/15/2011 - 1/26/2012 


Ran Half-Marathon 10/14/2012

First Pregnancy, Due 8/12/14                             I LOVE MY DS!!!
 

kjg
on 2/28/09 8:41 am - ND
Topic: any one had Dr Helbling for surgery
I was wondering if any one has had Dr Helbling from Mid Dakota .  I can not decide between
him or Dr Schmit from Mid Dakota
krs2009
on 2/28/09 8:25 am - Fargo, ND
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS
Very, very interesting! In my family, there's about 12 of us that have had the RNY. There's only two of us who have problems with dry food items, such as chicken. In my case, I just had supper with about 4oz of prime rib, corn, mashed potatoes and pie. There's not much I can't eat, but make sure I don't go crazy and overeat (I don't think I could if I tried).  I'm over two years out and have been at the same weight for a year, after the weight loss stablized. I'm at 120. I've also read some of the information about the weight gain, but I'd like to believe its because the individual might return to old habits that got them there in the first place.
 
However, I can see you're very committed even willing to spend your own dime to have it done. It will be very enlightening to hear of your progression through this, because the process sounds very logical for success. You're right, there is a lot of misinformation out there. I also don't feel positive about programs that lead the patient to believe that their vitamins are the only ones they can take for life (of course, they buy them from the program) and they have to go through weeks of preop Optifast (that they also buy through the progam). Research doesn't support those two procedures, only the program marketing department does.

In what part of Mexico is your surgeon?
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Lisey
on 2/28/09 12:12 am, edited 2/28/09 8:51 am - Milwaukee suburb, WI
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS

I also had never heard of it before deciding to have WLS.  When I initially decided to get WLS, my thought was to have the lap-band, but once I went to the info seminar of the MeritCare Bariatric Center, the dr told us that they were moving away from doing to bands in favor of the RNY b/c of high long-term failure rates/ failure to lose or maintain at least 50% of their excess weight.  That spurred me to start reading the research on WLS's.

I think that there are definitely people who are successful with thhe RNY, but the long-term stats are better for the DS, especially once you get into the 5-10 year post-op range.  At 10 years post-op, 20% of those who had an RNY have regained at least 50% of their excess weight that they had either never lost to begin with or had lost & then regained.  Only 5% of those who got a DS have regained at least 50% of the weight (or never lost it - HIGHLY unusual) by 10 years post-op.  The main reason for this is that the RNY has A LOT of restriction due to the pouch size & regulating stoma and it has some malabsorption.  Over time, it is expected that the pouch will stretch out some & that puts more of the responsibility of regulating food intake on the person, hence they fall back to dieting.  I'm really successful at dieting & always gain the weight back.  I do have instances where I eat way too much food in one sitting.  I know I do & I also think that most obese people fall into that category/habit.  Why the DS works better for long-term success for the average person is because it has some restriction (3/4 of stomach is removed), but it has A LOT of malabsorption.  Fat is absorbed at 20%, protein at 40%, complex carbs at 60%, & simple carbs/sugars at 100% - so you still can't eat sugary crap all day long & expect to lose.  You'll lose some, but not that much, if you eat sugary crap all day.  However, due to the high malabsorption feature, that is why the long-term stats are better b/c that doesn't change, unlike the RNY's pouch expanding.  I also like the fact that you can eat more.  There seems to be a good bit of variability by patient for this, some people can eat a lot 3-5 years out of surgery & others typically eat like a normal 2000 calorie per day person - neither of whom tend to gain weight.  There are exceptions, but it's very rare & difficult to mess up with the DS - I LOVE that.  I would feel devastated having lost all of this weight & then regain it back.  Horrible, unacceptable.

The 1/4 of stomach that is left with a DS (sleeve) also stretches some with time - this just is a normal process.  At least the stretchiest part of the stomach is the outer curvature, which is the part that is removed, so it doesn't stretch quite as much.  The hunger hormone ghrelin is also mainly produced in the portion that is removed.  I understand that ghrelin production decreases with RNY patients b/c the stomach isn't being used, but some is still produced by the stomach b/c the stomach's still there. 

One huge advantage of the DS is that all of the food intake & outtake regulating portions of the stomach are left intact, specifically the pylorus valve is left intact, which is removed with the RNY.  Because this valve is remvoed, food passes in an uncontrolled fashion out of the pouch directly into the small intestines - that's what causes dumping symptoms in many of those who have the RNY.  DS patients never - none of them - experience this, at all.  This also means that you can take whatever medication you need to that has anti-inflammatories with NO risk of marginal ulcers b/c it's dissolved in your stomach before hitting your intestines b/c the pylorus valve still regulates food passage into the intestines.  Both rheumatoid & osteo arthritis run in my family completely independent of weight (they're normal weight) & I already have joint pain in several locations & I'm only 31, so I'm likely to need to take NSAID's.  My dr already advised me to start taking OTC anti-inflammatories.

The more I read, the more my reaction was, well holy **** why isn't this done more???  It's a very complex procedure & not that many surgeons know how to do it, so of course, if someone goes to the typical WLS surgeon, they're not going to coo about the positives of the DS when they can't do it!  It would be like convincing their potential customer to go elsewhere.  Sadly, I have heard of a # of surgeons who know about the DS purposely spread factually incorrect information, which I think is unethical, such as your body will literally smell or that you will poop 10-20 times per day - both are not supported by research or the many, many people on the DS boards.  I've also heard the rumor that you need to wear a diaper - not true.  Generally, people do have some awfully smelly farts & poop, but air freshener works.  Aside from that, people on the DS board state that it's typically things that have white flour & processed sugar (not fruit) that causes gas, so people usually just avoid eating much of those things while out in public.

BC/BS would pay for an RNY for me, but not the DS b/c they will only do that if your BMI is 50 or higher.  The "catch-22" is that Dr. Fabian, who is in network for BCBS is reserving doing surgeries on those with a BMI up to 45 until he gets more experience (which makes sense), but he's also the only one in ND who has been physically trained in how do them.  So, that's why I'm forgoing my paid RNY for the DS.  I don't want to risk being a failure when I have a much better chance of success with the DS, I want to have a fully functioning regular stomach where I can eat regular normal-sized people amounts of food, I don't want dumping, & I want to be able to take anti-inflammatories.

With all that said, I know that there are RNY people who are successful & I certainly wish anybody who goes through WLS success.  It really saddens me that there's so much misinformation out there & people who don't even know it's an option b/c data shows that there's going to be people who aren't succesful with the band or the RNY who would have been successful with the DS - not all of them, but most.

 

HW / SW / CW / GW      299 / 287160 / 140     Feb '09 / Mar '09 / Dec '13 /Aug '10          

Appendicitis/Bowel Obstruction Surgery 8/21/10
Beat Hodgkin's Lymphoma!  7/15/2011 - 1/26/2012 


Ran Half-Marathon 10/14/2012

First Pregnancy, Due 8/12/14                             I LOVE MY DS!!!
 

tinkerbell025
on 2/27/09 10:59 pm - Fargo, ND
Topic: Who was/is your shining star?
     We all did or are doing a lot of research on what surgery to have, who to have do the surgery,what type of surgery and 40 other million questions that page through our heads at this/that time.

    We all had people who supported us,didn't support us or were just there not offering in any direction. The one thing that pops into my head was/is:

    Who was/is my shining star? I know this is on the same lines as one of my other posts, this time with an added twist.

    Looking back I had a couple stars that shined so bright they were blinding!
    My most important star was my Curt, He planted the seed for me to think of having surgery, he thought I would benefit greatly from it. Mind you he was not a firm believer of this back a ways. My other shining star was one of my sweet friends Julia. She went through this surgery a few yrs ago on my birthday and had/has done wonderful- she truly inspired me from her success.

    Finding people on this forum has been a wonderful thing too. Each and every person has given me a glimmer of sunshine and been many a colorful star in the sky. You each have so much to give and you just don't know how effective you are on/in other peoples lives!

    I just wanted to take this time to thank each and everyone of you!! Keep up the good work and be someones shining star!

Cheers!
Kelly/tink
Maintaining! Start weight 257,Current weight 122,Loss of 135# and 114 inches,Size 22-24W now size 4 to 0 (zero),Healthy life=Priceless

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krs2009
on 2/27/09 8:16 pm - Fargo, ND
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS
Happy Almost Birthday! You know, your 'rebirth' will come on the day of your surgery. It will change your life.

I'm curious, I don't know anyone else who is having or have had the DS. What are the factors that brought you to this procedure versus the more traditional RNY? What are the advantages or disadvantages? What kind of weight loss do you anticipate? I don't think there's too many of us in ND that know that much about the procedure. Do tell!
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Lisey
on 2/27/09 1:35 pm - Milwaukee suburb, WI
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS
I live in Grand Forks, but work in Thief River until 6:00pm on Mondays.  March 16 is actually my b-day!  Thank you for the invite, I appreciate it :}  It's soooo darn cold again!!!

HW / SW / CW / GW      299 / 287160 / 140     Feb '09 / Mar '09 / Dec '13 /Aug '10          

Appendicitis/Bowel Obstruction Surgery 8/21/10
Beat Hodgkin's Lymphoma!  7/15/2011 - 1/26/2012 


Ran Half-Marathon 10/14/2012

First Pregnancy, Due 8/12/14                             I LOVE MY DS!!!
 

krs2009
on 2/27/09 12:45 pm, edited 2/27/09 12:45 pm - Fargo, ND
Topic: RE: Support Group Page?
Hi, Amy,
On the top of the page on this website (not necessarily on this forum page, but right after you log into the site) you'll see a tab that says "Groups". Click that, and it opens to a place to fill in a city or zip code. Enter Fargo. You'll see several options, but ours is the one with the feet on the scale, called "Weigh to Go" Click the tab that says "Join the Group". That's all there is to it.

I'll be posting details about the March 16 meeting. I'm getting together a listing of the values we need to make sure we track to assess our absorption of vitamins and the B's. It came up at our meeting in Feb that family or primary doctors often use traditional values, to assess, rather than being familiar with how the WLS patient is very different and so are our numbers. We'll continue the discussion on the varied kind of vitamins we all take, so we can all get familiar with other options out there. That's a popular topic and others have told me they want to discuss it even more.
Kathi
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krs2009
on 2/27/09 12:38 pm - Fargo, ND
Topic: RE: Finally got MeritCare's surgery price quote for DS
Lisey, are you in Fargo or Grand Forks? If you're in Fargo, please feel free to come to our support group. The next one is March 16 at 6pm at Innovis Health hospital. Its a patient run program, so it doesn't matter where you had surgery.

Wow, that would scare me to go to a surgeon with little experience no matter the price. I'm lucky the surgeon I had came with lots of experience and the price was right. I learned about this program after waiting many weeks for my inquiry to the local program (Fargo) to get back to me. Its all about doing what's best for us, and it sounds like you have the connection to a good program and appears to have some good references for Dr Ungson.
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tinkerbell025
on 2/27/09 10:14 am - Fargo, ND
Topic: RE: Who was your hardest....
That is not sounding snotty because this is for you! It is one time in your life where you put yourself before all others.  My mom is almost 80. She was ok with this, as if she had a choice really LOL but,she doesn't understand most of it. She thinks I can't have good foods. Should you be having that? What about your diet? etc.... She views this as a diet, not a life style change. It must be the generation thingy. Life style change just doesn't compute in her mind. I just let it go and do for me. I am sure when she sees me maybe then it will sink in. Seeing is believing. She has not seen me in 7 months and I am 6 months out. She has not seen the changes. She will not see the changing until the end of May. I will be 9 months out then. She will complain that I had a better personalty when I had a bit of weight on me. LOL I know her drill
Have a wonderful weekend and remember it is all about you!
Kelly
Maintaining! Start weight 257,Current weight 122,Loss of 135# and 114 inches,Size 22-24W now size 4 to 0 (zero),Healthy life=Priceless

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