Please read immediately:: rebuttal
Well since everyone is giving there opinion I am going to give you mine. I can no longer keep my mouth shut about it. First of all I will address some of the lines in the COF reminder. 1. The line We welcome patients who have had any type of weight loss surgery and we are not a segregated group. All are welcome. Do I feel that this line was aimed at my men’s group, YES because before the formation of the men’s group that line was not there. Was I offended by this line, YES, The formation of the men’s group was not intended to segregate against anyone. I felt there was a need for a special group just for men for us to discuss issues that men alone have with WLS. As I attended at one time both the COF and the St John’s New Beginnings support groups I came to realize and from talking to other men, that some of them were uncomfortable with a the group consisting of mostly all woman, and even more uncomfortable when the woman would bring up issues like changing breast sizes, finding properly fitting bra’s and how to handle cravings when aunt flow came to town. Just like I am sure some woman would be uncomfortable sitting in a room full of men and them discussing things like dealing with increased penis size after WLS or trying to find properly fitting underwear that will give them proper testicular support.
Next line. 2. The line. We are not a "lollipops and sunshine" support group. Do I feel like that line was aimed at me, NO. I do feel however that this line is directed at the New Beginnings support group, and I as a proud member and sometimes a co support group leader, I also take some offense to this as well. I understand the there are personal issues between St John’s New Beginnings, and COF. Because at one time Claudette was the support group leader of St John’s New Beginnings. In the beginning I went to both the COF and the New Beginnings support groups, and I told both leaders I was attending both and I was not interested in the politics of what happened between the two leaders, that I was just there to gathers as much information as I could to help me in my weight loss journey. As is known to some already the reason I stopped going to the COF meetings and being a active participant on the MO board is because I received some inappropriate contacts and messages that had nothing to do with WLS that almost cost me my marriage. Because I love my wife dearly I separated my self from it. I know that once a lot of people who now attend the COF once came to the New Beginnings support group. It is a shame that those people could not still attend both meeting if they wanted to without feeling like they would hurt someone’s feelings.
I feel like all the Springfield support groups all have a good thing going and if some one wants to attend just one of the meetings that is just fine, but I don’t feel they should be compelled to just go to one and not the others because of someone’s personal issues with the others. I guess this post won’t last to long either I am sure it to will be pulled, because it seems like some people can have there post pulled for expressing there opinions while others can keep on giving there’s. Alan Hartman
Alan Hartman
Obesity Help. Com Certified Support Group Leader.
OH groups leader of the Men's Locker Room Support Group
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5'0" ~253 starting wt. 130 lb loss!
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Dear Alan, I am glad you posted and spoke your mind, first of all~you are not to be damned for that! Secondly, I personally think what your doing- having a mens support group is wonderful! With that being said-I just want you to know that the first time I attended a COF group with a friend, others at the COF group spoke of New Beginnings-and no one spoke harshly of them. I have never felt like I couldnt attend both without hurting anyones feelings. The reason I attend only the COF is that I live in Diamond MO, and its a long trip and I have sitters I have to obtain and car issues. I think, if you look at it from the prospect of a newbie coming on line-that Claudette added that-so that others will know-man or woman, they are welcome. Yes, the women outweigh the men at our group, but we have had men attend, and I know that talking about the personal things in a womans life-can be uncomfortable for a man-thus-a good thing you have a place for just men. However, that doesnt change the fact that we arent segregated. Right? So, I can see both points, but this way, all newbies know without Claudette having to answer a hundred emails or messages-so is it wrong for her to add information to inform people? I dont think so. I think its a time saving measure!
Another thing, since you know Claudette-she is blunt-so are a lot of our members who go to group. If someone wants the rosy colored, lollipop stuff, than thats not the group for them.
It sounds like you and Claudette have a lot in common-helping others. For that, you both deserved to be patted on the back. It takes a special person to give of themselves day after day and be as caring as you two are! I hope that you can find it in your heart to step back and look at it from a newbies point of view and not feel like your being slammed for having a mens only group. Good luck-and I hope that your group continues to strive! Janet
Craig Lee Watts
"Reach Out & Touch The Lord As He Goes By"
426 lbs Starting weight
212 lbs Goal Weight
159lbs AS OF 05,18.2013_______________________
267lbs PRAISE GOD.....