I just gained a whole lot of respect for OH!

bagelface
on 4/23/13 10:37 am
VSG on 08/22/12
On April 23, 2013 at 5:22 PM Pacific Time, NanaB . wrote:

You are still NOT getting the POINT. I am fully aware that a few complications are not the fault of the patient. What happened to your band? Why was it removed? But that's a dumb question, since most bashers are not sincere or honest about what happened.

 

Most band patients don't correlate eating too much food and frequent vomiting on a very tight band with reflux, they just think the band caused reflux without knowing what lead up to that point and "reflux just happened out of the blue".

Yeah you are right, most of us are just big ol liars.  If you ever have more trouble with your band you should probably let someone operate on you multiple times doing several repeats of unbuckle and buckle.   

Susan

Lapband 1/3/2007 (skmsu) revision to VSG 8/22/2012

    

pineview01
on 4/23/13 11:55 am - Davison, MI

Bagelface thank you for quoting so we can see the post.  I must have hurt Nana's feelings when I was honest, opps, I forgot we are all liars and I had issues because I ate big chunks of bread and over ate, not.

BAND REMOVED 9-4-12-fought insurance to get sleeve and won! Sleeved 1/22/13! Five years out and trying to get that last 15 pounds back off.

terrysimpson
on 4/23/13 10:24 am - Scottsdale, CA

Hard to know why others don't have postings like this one does - so you are simply making a guess. 

Here are some statistics: from BLIS data - first 90 days of complications - the sleeve has a higher rate and much costlier than the band. 

I wish we had a band that didn't get food stuck, that allowed it to open quickly. Maybe technology will give us one. 

The question is - what caused a person's band to go wrong- what happened?  Always good to do a root cause analysis of any complication and determine what was found when the band was removed, and then determine what caused the issue - besides the band, unless it was simply the band. Finally - the more we know, the better we can determine who would and would not be a candidate for the band. 

bagelface
on 4/23/13 10:56 am
VSG on 08/22/12
On April 23, 2013 at 5:24 PM Pacific Time, terrysimpson wrote:

Hard to know why others don't have postings like this one does - so you are simply making a guess. 

Here are some statistics: from BLIS data - first 90 days of complications - the sleeve has a higher rate and much costlier than the band. 

I wish we had a band that didn't get food stuck, that allowed it to open quickly. Maybe technology will give us one. 

The question is - what caused a person's band to go wrong- what happened?  Always good to do a root cause analysis of any complication and determine what was found when the band was removed, and then determine what caused the issue - besides the band, unless it was simply the band. Finally - the more we know, the better we can determine who would and would not be a candidate for the band. 

You can call it a guess, but it's actually more like stating the obvious.  The other boards  don't see this and there must be a reason.  I don't buy Naomi's bad patient/bad surgeon argument.  Quit frankly I think she simply likes to pontificate about nonsense.   OH itself probably selects for a particular population which factors into this.  There is a certain amount of cult like following of one surgeon on the VSG board, it probably factors into that as well.   

What are the band vs VSG stats for 2 - 5 years out or longer.  Most of the folks here that have had problems don't have them early out.  It's easy to stack the argument in the bands favor by gating on the first 90 days, but that is pretty dodgy science. 

I have seen a lot of people post about hyper restriction with an empty band.  I would like to see an analysis of the accumulation of scar tissue at the band site and what affect that has on reflux, vomiting, etc.   I still would argue if the band worked, and worked well, we wouldn't be having this discussion or seeing these threads.  It does not, and no amount of debate or telling people who have had problems to get lost, is going to change that.

I do believe money is a motivator here, to some degree.  How many bands can you place in the time it took you to do one DS?  What is the profit differential?  If it's easier and you make more money doing it, money is probably a factor.  Not a bad thing, we all have to earn a living.   

Susan

Lapband 1/3/2007 (skmsu) revision to VSG 8/22/2012

    

NanaB .
on 4/23/13 11:29 am

I have not found any studies (have read tons) that supports scar tissue causing the band to "suddenly tighten" on its own. All studies indicate that "sudden extreme restriction" with no recent fill indicates band slippage, NOT scar tissue issues. There are a few people that never need a fill, surgeons used to put bands on patients that were too small or too big for their stomachs, nowadays, they have more experience and that rarely happens, but I am sure it still happens.

Slippage can be chronic, emptying the band can sometimes help, and of course scar tissue will be there, but no studies to indicate scar tissue cause random tightening of the band, only pouch dilation causes this, or slippage.

In the old days, PRIOR to band bashing slippage was the diagnosis...band bashers seem to have created their own theory, despite what surgeons documented studies say.

Original Lap Band * 9/30/2005 * 4cc 10cm band*,  lost 130 pounds. 7 Great years! 

Revision surgery to AP small lap band *11/13/2012*, due to large hiatal hernia. I am hopeful about continuing my band journey uneventful and successful. I loved what my old band did for me and I am looking forward for my new band to Keep my weight downsmiley

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