So...........

MARIA F.
on 5/14/12 3:33 am - Athens, GA

aND HOW is this relevent to lap-band complications???

 

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Dev *.
on 5/14/12 5:45 am - Austin, TX
If we're here to inform, as you always say we are, then we might as well include information on the risks of all procedures. I think it's important for anyone considering WLS to know that all WLS procedures carry serious serious risks.

Banded 03/22/06  276/261/184 (highest/surgery/lowest)

Sleeved 07/11/2013  228/165 (surgery/current) (111lbs lost)

Mom to two of the cutest boys on earth.

MARIA F.
on 5/14/12 1:57 pm - Athens, GA
On May 14, 2012 at 12:45 PM Pacific Time, Dev *. wrote:
If we're here to inform, as you always say we are, then we might as well include information on the risks of all procedures. I think it's important for anyone considering WLS to know that all WLS procedures carry serious serious risks.

You are like a broken record when it comes to that "all WLS's have risks". Hell we all know that! No one said they didn't. But why do you CONSTANTLY want to bring up risk for other WLS's anytime a lapband risk/complications is mentioned?! It's IRRELEVENT! Besides, the other WLS's don't HIDE their complications!

 

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Dev *.
on 5/14/12 11:41 pm - Austin, TX
Yep, and I'll keep being a broken record if need be. There are quite a few other broken records around here on certain topics. It is NOT irrelevant when there are a number of people who are devoted to creating the impression that other surgery types are pretty much risk-free when compared to the band. I also mention it whenever I respond to a post from someone who is interested in the band because they consider it to be "less risky" or "less invasive" than other surgeries (frankly, anything that onvolves inserting surgical instruments into your abdomen is invasive). I think that, as a culture, we are becoming so used to the idea of WLS in general that people choose surgeries (not just the band) with the mistaken impression that, oh sure, problems can happen, but they won't happen to ME, and then they are surprised when it does happen to them. I really, really, want people to understand that, if they aren't prepared to deal with the worst possible complications of their chosen surgery, they probably should not do it. I KNOW a lot of banders, especially 6 years ago when I got mine and I'm sure recently as well were NOT given good information about possible complications. That really, really sucks. I think it's great to make sure people get all the information they need NOW, but I don't believe it should be done in a way that m,akes it appear that other surgeries are relatively risk free in comparison, when they are NOT. That's my soapbox, and I plan to stay on it.

I don't think the complications or risks associated with the band are HIDDEN either, since I was able to find plenty of info in less than 10 seconds.

Banded 03/22/06  276/261/184 (highest/surgery/lowest)

Sleeved 07/11/2013  228/165 (surgery/current) (111lbs lost)

Mom to two of the cutest boys on earth.

MARIA F.
on 5/15/12 3:03 am - Athens, GA
On May 15, 2012 at 6:41 AM Pacific Time, Dev *. wrote:
Yep, and I'll keep being a broken record if need be. There are quite a few other broken records around here on certain topics. It is NOT irrelevant when there are a number of people who are devoted to creating the impression that other surgery types are pretty much risk-free when compared to the band. I also mention it whenever I respond to a post from someone who is interested in the band because they consider it to be "less risky" or "less invasive" than other surgeries (frankly, anything that onvolves inserting surgical instruments into your abdomen is invasive). I think that, as a culture, we are becoming so used to the idea of WLS in general that people choose surgeries (not just the band) with the mistaken impression that, oh sure, problems can happen, but they won't happen to ME, and then they are surprised when it does happen to them. I really, really, want people to understand that, if they aren't prepared to deal with the worst possible complications of their chosen surgery, they probably should not do it. I KNOW a lot of banders, especially 6 years ago when I got mine and I'm sure recently as well were NOT given good information about possible complications. That really, really sucks. I think it's great to make sure people get all the information they need NOW, but I don't believe it should be done in a way that m,akes it appear that other surgeries are relatively risk free in comparison, when they are NOT. That's my soapbox, and I plan to stay on it.

I don't think the complications or risks associated with the band are HIDDEN either, since I was able to find plenty of info in less than 10 seconds.

Omg! You are so FOS! No one ever said that the other surgery types are risk free! Perhaps YOU are the one that needs to READ! Lol.

Since you want to share WLS complications now, just make sure you keep sharing that 88% complication rate from Allergan! K?

Have a nice day sweetie! :-)

 

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Dev *.
on 5/15/12 3:59 am - Austin, TX
I generally don't share specific complication rates on anything, the last thing I have time for would be to maintain some kind of database of current stats and I certainly wouldn't want to throw out stats that might be out of date. I just encourage people to do research and hopefully find those things out for themseleves. Just like I don't tell anyone they SHOULD do one surgery or SHOULD NOT do another surgery.

Banded 03/22/06  276/261/184 (highest/surgery/lowest)

Sleeved 07/11/2013  228/165 (surgery/current) (111lbs lost)

Mom to two of the cutest boys on earth.

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on 5/16/12 10:50 am - Califreakinfornia , CA
On May 15, 2012 at 10:03 AM Pacific Time, MARIA F. wrote:
On May 15, 2012 at 6:41 AM Pacific Time, Dev *. wrote:
Yep, and I'll keep being a broken record if need be. There are quite a few other broken records around here on certain topics. It is NOT irrelevant when there are a number of people who are devoted to creating the impression that other surgery types are pretty much risk-free when compared to the band. I also mention it whenever I respond to a post from someone who is interested in the band because they consider it to be "less risky" or "less invasive" than other surgeries (frankly, anything that onvolves inserting surgical instruments into your abdomen is invasive). I think that, as a culture, we are becoming so used to the idea of WLS in general that people choose surgeries (not just the band) with the mistaken impression that, oh sure, problems can happen, but they won't happen to ME, and then they are surprised when it does happen to them. I really, really, want people to understand that, if they aren't prepared to deal with the worst possible complications of their chosen surgery, they probably should not do it. I KNOW a lot of banders, especially 6 years ago when I got mine and I'm sure recently as well were NOT given good information about possible complications. That really, really sucks. I think it's great to make sure people get all the information they need NOW, but I don't believe it should be done in a way that m,akes it appear that other surgeries are relatively risk free in comparison, when they are NOT. That's my soapbox, and I plan to stay on it.

I don't think the complications or risks associated with the band are HIDDEN either, since I was able to find plenty of info in less than 10 seconds.

Omg! You are so FOS! No one ever said that the other surgery types are risk free! Perhaps YOU are the one that needs to READ! Lol.

Since you want to share WLS complications now, just make sure you keep sharing that 88% complication rate from Allergan! K?

Have a nice day sweetie! :-)
Name ONE person who makes the following blanket statement ?

"there are a number of people who are devoted to creating the impression that other surgery types are pretty much risk-free when compared to the band."

Who are these " DEVOTED " people ?

Anyone *****lies on Allergan for risk information is relying on an unreliable source for their information since Allergan and all their surgeons are not legally required by law to report any complications that their medical device may inflict upon the blind public.




Guernica Loser
on 5/15/12 4:07 pm
 thank you.  my friend that had bypass the same day I had lapband almost died a few months ago.  She has to have it reversed.  :(  No surgery is safe. NONE OF THEM!
I've been on prednisone and chemo for over 7.5 years.  Gained over 160 pounds due to pred. Highest wt. 410. Surgery wt. 365. Current wt. 299
See ya,400s, 90s,80s,70s, 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s, 10s 300s!!!!  
                                    
             
Katester
on 5/15/12 4:34 am
On May 14, 2012 at 6:44 AM Pacific Time, Dev *. wrote:
Risks of VSG (a little harder to compile and not as comprehensive since there's no "manufacturer" and it's newer)

Major complications include bleeding from the staple line (1%) requiring transfusion or possible reoperation, staple line leaks (1 -2%), and blood clot to the lungs. Other problems include the sleeve being too tight because of scarring or the development of a partial twist. Injury to other abdominal organs such as the spleen, or intestine is possible although very uncommon. The mortality rate after vertical sleeve gastrectomy has been reported in the range of 2/1000. Causes of death include blood clot to the lungs, infection following leaks, pneumonia, cardiac irregularities or heart attack, stroke, and other rare events.

Long term problems can include esophageal reflux, gastritis, and rarely bowel obstruction due to adhesions (scars inside of the abdomen). Vitamin deficiency can occur if patients do not eat a healthy diet and do not take certain vitamin supplements. The supplements include multivitamins, B12, and in some cases iron. Depending on a person’s metabolism, other vitamins may be necessary. Vitamin levels can be checked with a blood test, so long term deficiencies can definitely be prevented.
 

Esophageal reflux

One of the problems that some patients face after sleeve gastrectomy is esophageal reflux. Reflux causes heartburn and esophagitis. It may occur soon after sleeve gastrectomy or may appear after several years. There are probably several causes for reflux, and the problem has not been extensively researched. The sleeve itself can be obstructive. It is a long narrow tube, and if too tight, may not function well. Second, a patient may develop problems with motility of the esophagus or with the sphincter muscle between the esophagus and stomach. And third, some patients may develop a hiatus hernia. A hiatus hernia is a widening of the diaphragm at the point where the esophagus passes from the chest into the abdomen. When a hiatus hernia develops, the stomach slips into the chest and the sphincter at the end of the esophagus is less effective. With a weakened sphincter muscle reflux occurs.

Complications From Sleeve Gastrectomy

The most significant complications associated with this bariatric surgery are leakage, sleeve dilation and a number of other general problems. Let's take a look at them.

Leakage
As mentioned earlier, a portion of the stomach is removed and the edges of the stomach are stapled or fixed together during the sleeve gastrectomy surgery. Sometimes, the staple line may show leakages and hemorrhages due to intra-abdominal pressure,. However, such sleeve gastrectomy complications can be easily treated by conducting a second procedure that strengthens the staple line of the sleeve.

Gastroesophageal Reflux
Gastroesophageal reflux refers to the regurgitation of gastric content into the esophagus. When the acids present in the stomach flow towards the esophagus, it is likely to cause irritation of the esophagus. This leads to heartburn, thereby causing a burning sensation in the chest. This is one of the most common complications of laparoscopic sleeve gastrectomy, that is probably a result of the change in the shape of the stomach.

Gastric Fistula
The irregular, hollow and tube-like passage connecting the stomach to the wall of the abdomen is called gastric fistula. It is created, either pathologically or by surgery. In some 3-5% of sleeve gastrectomy cases, it comes as a post-operative result. This is one of the possible complications resulting from sleeve gastrectomy.

Narrowing of Stoma
Sleeve gastrectomy procedure may cause narrowing of stoma, which is an opening between the stomach and intestine. Another surgery may be required to fix this condition. In some cases, it can be corrected with the help of an instrument. The stoma can be expanded with the help of a dilating tube.

Hiatal Hernia
If the vertical sleeve of the stomach is too tight, it could create problems associated with the sphincter muscle that is located between the esophagus (food pipe) and the stomach. Hiatal hernia is one of the common complications from sleeve gastrectomy. Hiatus refers to an opening in the diaphragm through which the esophagus passes. If this opening widens, the stomach may protrude from the opening into the chest.

Malabsorption of Vitamins and Minerals
One long-term complication of sleeve gastrectomy is malabsorption of certain vitamins and minerals. This leads to deficiency of particular vitamins and minerals, which may further cause a number of other disorders. Deficiency of iron results in anemia while deficiency of vitamin B12 can cause neurological disorders. Changes in absorption of calcium, phosphates and oxalates can lead to the formation of kidney stones. Similarly, deficiency of calcium, phosphates and vitamin D can give rise to various bone diseases.

Other Possible Gastrectomy Complications
Vertical sleeve gastrectomy may also give rise to some common complications associated with other bariatric surgeries. The most prominent among those is microbial infection at the wound site. Another problem topping the list is deep vein thrombosis (DVT) or formation of blood clot in the leg. There is yet another complication that is sometimes seen after sleeve gastrectomy. At times, dilation of the vertical sleeve could lead to an increase in the food intake capacity of the patient.

In addition to all the problems listed above, sleeve gastrectomy complications may include hair loss, hair thinning, mood swings, dry skin and a general feeling of weakness. Any issue with sleeve gastrectomy needs a high level of medical attention and care. Do not try to be your own doctor. It is best to seek medical help. Strictly follow the advice and comply with the guidelines given by your surgeon.

Here's a forum with posts from people having VSG complications:
http://www.verticalsleevetalk.com/forum/48-gastric-sleeve-su rgery-vsg-complications-support-group/

and some abstracts:
http://www.thinnertimes.com/weight-loss-surgery/vertical-sle eve-gastrectomy/vertical-sleeve-gastrectomy-risks-and-compli cations.html
 

why don't you go back to your trusty "friend" google and search "partial gastrectomy" and see the stats for that. That has been a procedure performed ALL OVER THE WORLD with the FIRST one being in 1881. EIGHTEEN EIGHTY ONE!! Over 100 years!!! And I'm very happy to see 1-2% complication rates for VSG rather than the 88% you posted on the band...your "manfacuturer" needs a swift kick in the nuts for putting this in peoples bodys. ITS PLASTIC AND SILICONE.....how long do you think your body will hold in this trash without having an adverse reaction???? Please answer me that...you look pretty young....how long did you expect this to last???
Dev *.
on 5/15/12 4:52 am - Austin, TX
Should I decide to have a VSG, I probably will do that. Actually my maternal grandfather had a partial gastrectomy (probably back in 1950 or so), I think it had to be done due to complications that he had from diabetes. He did lose a lot of weight. Then he regained it. Doesn't work for everyone.
I've always been honest that I don't expect to keep my band my whole life. Lots of other inplanted medical devices also have variable life spans. I think my aunt is on her 5th knee replacement and my uncle is on his third pacemaker. Thanks for saying I look pretty young! I just turned 38. I got my band at age 32 though. Because I was having WLS at what I consider to be a pretty young age, I have always operated under the assumption that I would likely require more than 1 surgery over the course of my lifetime, as my own research showed me that re-gain after WLS is a problem for all surgery types. My rationale was that, if I got RNY at such a young age, my choices for additional intervention when/if it failed would leave me with few options, so that was a big part of choosing the band for me. As well as not wanting to have to worry about malabsorbing nutrients while pregnant. In addition, I worked for a long time in the cancer field dealing with clinical trial information, and I made note of the fact that a lot of trials won't accept patients who have had a RNY, DS, or gastrectomy. I'm not at especially high risk for cancer (that I know of), but there's nothing like talking to cancer patients all day, every day, for several years, to make one a bit paranoid.
It will last as long as it lasts. My body has certainly never shown signs of "rejecting" it. (I consider the slip I experienced to be a mechanical issue, not a "rejection" but my definition of rejection is pretty specific since I know work with organ transplant patients). After 6 years I have some mild esophageal dilation, but no symptoms from it at all. I'm followed by a surgeon, when/if the time comes that I need to switch to something else, I would likely consider the sleeve as, again, it leaves more room later to make another choice should the need arise.
I'm not a "band champion", going around telling everyone they should get a band, it's the best option, etc, but I'm also not going to apoologize for providing MY perspective and MY experience because, as those who provide negative experiences like to point out, my experience is just as valid as anyone else's.

Banded 03/22/06  276/261/184 (highest/surgery/lowest)

Sleeved 07/11/2013  228/165 (surgery/current) (111lbs lost)

Mom to two of the cutest boys on earth.

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