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chevtow41
on 3/6/19 9:32 am
DS on 11/11/14
Topic: RE: Vitamin Levels

High B6 is bad

high B12 is no biggie

Are you taking dry D3? I need to take 100k daily to keep my D around 100, you may need to add another.

Liz J.
on 3/6/19 6:10 am
DS on 11/29/16
Topic: RE: Vitamin Levels

With the research I've done, high B's don't have any negative problems. I'd worry more about your low D.

Liz

HW: 398.8 SW:356 GW: 175 CW:147

cartwrightna
on 3/6/19 5:06 am
Topic: RE: Vitamin Levels

My multi does have some but I wouldn't expect it to be enough to cause it to spike that high. I'm more over curious if anyone has heard of symptoms of high Bs.

B12 = >2000pg/mL (Standard is 211-911pg/mL)

Folate = >20ng/mL (this is in range)

Vitamin B1/Whole Blood = 255 nmol/L (Standard range is 70-180nmol/L)

My nutritionist said that my gut bacteria could be producing Bs somehow so she has me taking a probiotic to try to normalize it. Just looking at Bs as a contributor because the symptoms I've been trying to track down seem to be coming up empty on the causes.

You'd think that since vitamin B is water soluble it would have normalized with as much as I pee...

PeteA
on 3/6/19 4:46 am, edited 3/5/19 8:47 pm - Parma, OH
DS on 04/15/13
Topic: RE: Still on omeprazole

My experience has been that you just follow your labs. Yes people talk about ADEK but people are hardly ever low on E for some reason. Many people like it for other reasons than keeping an adequate level after the DS. K too is one of those that it may take a while to see the need on your labs. The tests for K / clotting are not always done so it may not hurt to stay on the **** seems a bummer to add it only after you notice that you are bruising much more. People lump them together because they are all the fat solubles and for those people that use a multi ADEK they have no choice.

Forgot to add that long term use of things like Prilosec can have an adverse effect on your calcium absorption. ( I think I have that right but people will correct if I'm wrong ). My policy is always that if you don't see a need then you need to see if it is valuable as a preventative or if there are any long term consequences.

Pete

HW 552 CW 198 SW 464 4/15/13 - Lap DS by Dr. Philip Schauer - Cleveland Clinic.

PeteA
on 3/6/19 4:40 am - Parma, OH
DS on 04/15/13
Topic: RE: Vitamin Levels

Could you talk about specific vitamin B levels? The one you listed sounds like B12 which doesn't cause a problem at high levels. However, something like elevated B6 might be a cause for concern. I'm not an expert on the B's but those 2 come up quite often in discussions.

It's pretty hard to talk about B's as a group.

As to lowering, are you taking a multi vitamin? You may have to start looking at food sources. Not sure what else people have done in your situation although I've seen other people not supplement and still have high levels.

Pete

HW 552 CW 198 SW 464 4/15/13 - Lap DS by Dr. Philip Schauer - Cleveland Clinic.

cartwrightna
on 3/6/19 3:29 am
Topic: Vitamin Levels

I'm about 7-8 years out from surgery and it's been an amazing ride.

Lately, I've been dealing with some odd anxiety like symptoms. When I got my last labs back my vitamin B's were extremely elevated. So high that the test didn't have a number other than > 2000. Also vitamin D had dipped.

I started to compare the labs with previous ones and my vitamin B's have always either been way low (before and right after surgery) or very high. Was a little curious on symptoms of high B's and there are not many sources who say high B's are concern. The ones I did find listed problems like skin conditions, issues sleeping, frequent urination, and anxiety. All symptoms that I have been fighting for months or years for some.

Does this sound like a plausible connection? How the hell do I lower them? I'm not taking any additional B.

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Tanya B.
on 3/5/19 4:24 pm - Philadelphia, PA
Topic: RE: DS weight gain 5 years later

Couldn't agree more. I am 11 years post op and have gained 25 lbs. And my bathroom escapades were horrible! I went back to the basics 2 weeks ago and saw an immediate improvement. Bathroom issues are non existent. No stomach issues or gas. Down 4 lbs the first week. I eat hardly any carbs. 20-30 grams a day. And those are in my vegetables. I feel great. Now I am a grazer as well. So now I eat a stick of cheese. Or knock off a bottle of water quickly. The desire to graze passes. Best of luck.

Tanya B.
SUCCESS IS ONLY A STEP AWAY


Eliza970
on 3/5/19 2:04 pm
Topic: RE: DS weight gain 5 years later

A successful DS starts in the grocery store. This is what I do if I see a few pounds hanging around. First hit the dairy aisle. Milk, eggs, yogurt, cheese, cottage cheese. Then, the meat aisle for servings of the meat you like, chicken, beef, pork, sausage, bacon, shrimp, fish. The produce section is all good, except fruits and potatoes. The deli counter is good for sliced meats and cheese, but not the prepared foods or salads. You can get beans and tuna in the 'can' aisle, but nothing else. Nothing in boxes. No soda, chips, candy, or cookies. No bread for now. No pasta or rice. Liquid calories are the worst, so no juice, beer, or soda, even diet soda.

Then, go to the checkout counter.

For the first month, don't go to a restaurant or eat fast food, until you get your food choices right.

You can eat as much of these foods as you want. Don't go hungry. Have 5 small meals a day. I predict you can lose 2 lbs a week easily in the first month of "shock" DS diet therapy. You will mostly control your diarrhea and gas if you eat only them, but if some of these symptoms happen, you will recognize your trouble foods (might be yogurt or milk or deli foods)

Im glad you realize you have to change. Your body is signaling you are eating the wrong foods by giving you diarrhea and gas and causing you to gain weight. You are the only one who can fix this and I know it's in your power to do it.

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