Dina, Vitalady, anyone else - can we talk about K2?

blackburn.vicki
on 10/20/09 5:00 am
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  • Menatetrenone
  • Preservative free
  • Supports healthy bones

Carlson Vitamin K2 provides 5mg of vitamin K2 in each capsule. Research suggests that vitamin K2 promotes a healthy cardiovascular system as well as promotes healthy bones and cartilage.

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Christine X.
on 10/20/09 5:23 am - TX

NOTICE:
Vitamin  K-1 is the "usual" vitamin  K, such as was in the ADEK.  This is what is tested if you have had vit K lab work done.

Vitamin  K-2 (in the K-7 form) is different in that studies show that it decalcifies the blood, helping to prevent arteriosclerosis (hardening of the arteries).  Other studes have shown that K-2 helps move calcium into the bone, thereby improving bone density.  The lab test that most closely measures the action of osteoblasts vs. osteoclasts is called Osteocalcin.

Both forms of Vitamin K contain the warning about not taking them if you are taking any blood thinner.

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Mary_J
on 10/20/09 5:24 am

Here's what I think I understand :)  Both forms are important, but for different reasons.  K1 for the obvious blood thinning/clotting thing; K2 for the bones (osteoclast vs osteoblasts).  The labs we generally get done test the K1, and the best indicator of whether K2 is doing it's job is the osteocalcin level.  K1 comes from vegetables; K2 can be increased with meat ingestion, but is produced in the gut.  I take both K1 and K2 (get them both from Vitalady), but I haven't gotten too aggressive with the K2 . . . my osteocalcin is in 'range' but has decreased.  I'll assess that with my next set of labs.  You're right - lots of info, and most of it somewhat confusing.  I had a couple of my 'science' type teachers at college help me find some research, and I've summarized it above . . . . I don't have the links - I'm not even sure if they were from 'libraries' I have access to.

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krissywats
on 10/20/09 7:10 am - Kew Gardens, NY
Thanks for this!  Is the "osteocalcin" the name of the lab that should be run to check the K2 level?

Greatly appreciate your help.

7/19/09 - DS with Dr. Alfons Pomp
7/11/12 -  tummy tuck, UBL, larg lipo sculpting of torso, lipo of "buffalo hump" with Dr. Sauceda
blackburn.vicki
on 10/20/09 8:05 am

 
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Osteocalcin measurement

What is this test?

This test measures the level of osteocalcin in blood. Osteocalcin is a major protein found in bone. It is used to help evaluate bone formation disorders[1][2]. This test is used when a secondary malignant neoplasm of the bone is suspected[1]. It may also be used for postmenopausal women who are at risk for osteoporosis[3][4][5][6][7][8].

What are other names for this test?

  • Bone g1a protein measurement

Why do I need this test?

Laboratory tests may be done for many reasons. Tests are performed for routine health screenings or if a disease or toxicity is suspected. Lab tests may be used to determine if a medical condition is improving or worsening. Lab tests may also be used to measure the success or failure of a medication or treatment plan. Lab tests may be ordered for professional or legal reasons. The following are possible reasons why this test may be done:

  • Bone metastasis

When and how often should I have this test?

When and how often laboratory tests are done may depend on many factors. The timing of laboratory tests may rely on the results or completion of other tests, procedures, or treatments. Lab tests may be performed immediately in an emergency, or tests may be delayed as a condition is treated or monitored. A test may be suggested or become necessary when certain signs or symptoms appear.

Due to changes in the way your body naturally functions through the course of a day, lab tests may need to be performed at a certain time of day. If you have prepared for a test by changing your food or fluid intake, lab tests may be timed in accordance with those changes. Timing of tests may be based on increased and decreased levels of medications, drugs or other substances in the body.

The age or gender of the person being tested may affect when and how often a lab test is required. Chronic or progressive conditions may need ongoing monitoring through the use of lab tests. Conditions that worsen and improve may also need frequent monitoring. Certain tests may be repeated to obtain a series of results, or tests may need to be repeated to confirm or disprove results. Timing and frequency of lab tests may vary if they are performed for professional or legal reasons.

How should I get ready for the test?

Before having blood collected, tell the person drawing your blood if you are allergic to latex. Tell the healthcare worker if you have a medical condition or are using a medication or supplement that causes excessive bleeding. Also tell the healthcare worker if you have felt nauseated, lightheaded, or have fainted while having blood drawn in the past.

Fast before the test[5][8][9].

Tell the person doing the test if you are pregnant[9].

How is the test done?

When a blood sample from a vein is needed, a vein in your arm is usually selected. A tourniquet (large rubber strap) may be secured above the vein. The skin over the vein will be cleaned, and a needle will be inserted. You will be asked to hold very still while your blood is collected. Blood will be collected into one or more tubes, and the tourniquet will be removed. When enough blood has been collected, the healthcare worker will take the needle out.

How will the test feel?

The amount of discomfort you feel will depend on many factors, including your sensitivity to pain. Communicate how you are feeling with the person doing the test. Inform the person doing the test if you feel that you cannot continue with the test.

During a blood draw, you may feel mild discomfort at the location where the blood sample is being collected.

What should I do after the test?

After a blood sample is collected from your vein, a bandage, cotton ball, or gauze may be placed on the area where the needle was inserted. You may be asked to apply pressure to the area. Avoid strenuous exercise immediately after your blood draw. Contact your healthcare worker if you feel pain or see redness, swelling, or discharge from the puncture site.

What are the risks?

Blood: During a blood draw, a hematoma (blood-filled bump under the skin) or slight bleeding from the puncture site may occur. After a blood draw, a bruise or infection may occur at the puncture site. The person doing this test may need to perform it more than once. Talk to your healthcare worker if you have any concerns about the risks of this test.

What are normal results for this test?

Laboratory test results may vary depending on your age, gender, health history, the method used for the test, and many other factors. If your results are different from the results suggested below, this may not mean that you have a disease. Contact your healthcare worker if you have any questions. The following are considered to be normal results for this test:

  • Adult male: 3-13 nanograms/mL (3-13 micrograms/L) [9]
  • Adult premenopausal female: 0.4-8.2 nanograms/mL (0.4-8.2 micrograms/L) [9]
  • Adult postmenopausal female: 1.5-11 nanograms/mL (1.5-11 micrograms/L) [9]
  • Children, 2 to 17 years: 2.8-41 nanograms/mL (2.8-41 micrograms/L) [9]
  • Neonates: 20-40 nanograms/L (20-40 micrograms/L) [9]
  • In adult males, circadian variations result in a 5- to 10-nanograms/mL fluctuation in osteocalcin levels over a 24-hour period. Circulating levels are lowest in late afternoon and peak nocturnally [10].
  • Serum osteocalcin **** assays lack standardization because different assays recognize different molecular fragments [11][12]. OC levels on the same serum sample, measured at different laboratories, can vary by more than 4 fold. More consistent results can be obtained if the OC level is expressed as a percentage of serum OC in normal individuals [13].

What might affect my test results?

  • Results increased in [9]:
    • Adolescent growth spurts (range 40-80 nanograms/mL in boys)
    • Chronic renal failure
    • Hyperthyroidism
  • Results decreased in [9]:
    • Pregnancy
    • Cirrhosis

What follow up should I do after this test?

Ask your healthcare worker how you will be informed of the test results. You may be asked to call for results, schedule an appointment to discuss results, or notified of results by mail. Follow up care varies depending on many factors related to your test. Sometimes there is no follow up after you have been notified of test results. At other times follow up may be suggested or necessary. Some examples of follow up care include changes to medication or treatment plans, referral to a specialist, more or less frequent monitoring, and additional tests or procedures. Talk with your healthcare worker about any concerns or questions you have regarding follow up care or instructions.


Mary_J
on 10/20/09 8:47 am
That's how I asked for it, and that's how it's reported back on my lab results sheet.

5' 5" -  317.5 / 132 / 134  SW / CW / GW


AA
on 10/20/09 7:17 am - New York, NY
I was told to take K1 because it was slightly low on my bloods last July and because I had an unexplained nosebleed.

 

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krissywats
on 10/20/09 11:39 am - Kew Gardens, NY
It sounds like my plan of action is to re-test my K1 (looks like the light can affect that if they didn't wrap it properly) and if it's still low, up my K1 and then also have the test mentioned above for osteocalcin.  woof.  I feel like I need a degree!

7/19/09 - DS with Dr. Alfons Pomp
7/11/12 -  tummy tuck, UBL, larg lipo sculpting of torso, lipo of "buffalo hump" with Dr. Sauceda
Guate Wife
on 10/20/09 7:26 am - Grand Rapids, MI

Agree with Mary.  K1 is what we malabsorb and probably need to supplement as we become deficient from lack of digestion via food.  This is the K found in ADEK.  This is also the typical lab draw for "K"; the K1.

K2 is a major co-factor for absorption of Calcium, just like dry D3.  Surgeons / Nuts don't understand this, as is the case with many Endos.  There are other co-factors important to absorption of Calcium, and very few of us are on the proper regimen.  Don't know if I am currently; I will tweak with each lab draw.

My regimen would scare a pre-op / newbie, but I strongly believe in it, and am very proactive, especially where it comes to my bones.  So, I will email you my regimen, and you can explore the different supplements.  Most are co-factors for the Calcium absorption.

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Mary_J
on 10/20/09 8:52 am
Send 'em to me, too!  I'm pretty aggressive also, but don't want to be missing anything :)

I agree - a pre-op would choke with one look at my pill dispenser and the footstool I keep the bottles in!  But that's ME . . . . .I'm doing what I think I need to do.  I just sent my pcp a 'let's get on the same damn page, where you cooperate with me' letter - and included my suppliment list . . . . I'd like to be a mouse in the corner :)  I've given it to the nurse a year ago (before additional tweaking and adding), and it's typed into the computer, but I suspect he's never given it a good hard look.

5' 5" -  317.5 / 132 / 134  SW / CW / GW


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