PLEASE help me scare the CRAP out of a DSer who is not taking her vites!!
She sent me a message today, asking me to scare the crap out of her with some non-compliance horror stories. I have a few, but please share what you have heard, know personally or experienced yourself. WE need to help her get back on track--she is a valuable person in need of a push right now to do right by her body and spirit. (I will send her a link to this thread, so she sees it for sure.)
If you guys have some mental health tips for her, too, that would be great. I believe she is seeing a doctor for these issues and possibly a therapist, but take nothing for granted at this point.
Here's one story for you, friend:
A woman who comes occasionally to my Chicago support group meeting has serious depression and self-esteem issues. She took a few months off of taking her vites and starting feeling crappy. She was dizzy and felt weak a bit more each day. Vague, just "not feeling well" feelings. She went to the PCPs office FINALLY to see what was up and she collapsed on the way to the office, thankfully, in front of the ER.
Strangers helped her, got her in the ER, her blood draws were in the toilet for protein, iron, calcium and you name it. She got back on a regimen, had to have some transfusions. She has not been back to a support group meeting in a long while and I was wondering how she was doing. I saw her last week, as I was scouting a new DS support group site at the hospital, and she looked like **** pale, weak and yes, overweight. My guess is she is being non-compliant again.
Here's another one:
A woman on the main board who had a RNY lost all of her teeth because she did not take calcium and Vitamin D. Her TEETH, for goodness sake!!!
So, everyone, please share the scariest non-compliant **** you've heard and experienced here. Hell, share the minor things that you have heard--let's use these horror stories to get this lovely lady back on track and taking care of herself.
Friend, please get back on track with your vites. It may seem tough at first, but try adding some in each day. Set mini-goals for yourself of 1 calcium a day, then 2, and so on. You could be causing your nerves, organs and brain irreparable damage by not being compliant. You had this surgery to save and improve your life. Now go and do it! We are all behind you!
THANKS, guys!
Nicolle
I had the kick-butt duodenal switch (DS)!
HW: 344 lbs CW: 150 lbs
Type 2 diabetes and sleep apnea GONE!
No. I'm not going to waste time trying to scare someone who should know better.
HEY YOU! QUIT YOUR ******G WHINING ABOUT HOW MENTALLY ILL YOU ARE AND START COMPLYING WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR SURGERY. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR BULL**** YOU KNOW PERFECTLY WELL THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DIE OF MALNUTRITION IF YOU DON'T PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
AND IF YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A ******G COWARD TO POST YOUR OWN DAMNED QUESTIONS, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT YOU ANYWAY.
Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:33 pm (PST)
Hi guys!I had surgery 5/01 and to date I have had about 5 teeth removed and
will probably have to have my entire mouth replaced in the not so
distant future (thankfully they started in the back...but the front are
trying to catch up!).
Basically it is a combination of things. Poor lifestyle prior to and
after surgery and total NON COMPLIANCE with vitamins and supplements
for many years.
The result: Way too many root canals I can't afford (thus the
extractions, gum disease. calcium deficiency, bone loss, tooth loss,
anemia, malnutrition, dehydration, intestinal bugs,.....it goes on and
on but mostly it was MY FAULT.
I am doing pretty terrific these days, rebuilding my health, sometimes
I struggle to maintain my weight (any hint of illness sends my body
into loss mode.....I had asthmatic bronchitis 2 weeks ago and in 48
hours I had lost 8 pds (mostly water) and was rushed to the ER with low
blood pressure (80/40) and dehydration.
SOOOO if anyone thinks they can skip the vitamin stuff...DONT DO IT.
Just a piece of advice I know everyone has heard before!!!
Preserve those teeth.........check your calcium/bone loss levels and
take extra!!!!!!!!
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But here's a good one:
This was posted in 2003:
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To: <[email protected]>
From: "micheller" <micheller@...>
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:54:17 -0700
Subject: [duodenalswitch] Seriously ill- 5.5 years later after having the DS surgery.
Hi everyone,
First, let me re-introduce myself. I had the Duodenal Switch surgery over 5 years ago. I was 342 pounds and I now weigh 118 pounds. I'm 5ft7 and a recent law school graduate. It is truly a miracle that I graduated law school considering what I went through over the past 3 years. I want to tell you I am a big advocate of the DS surgery. In fact, I started this list over 5 years ago. But, I can't stress enough the importance of post follow-up. I will try and tell my story without dragging it out or boring you all to death.
For the first year after surgery, life was great. I was losing weight so quickly and so happy with the results. I didn't always take my vitamins. In fact, I would go weeks without popping even one multivitamin. I didn't care.
I was thin and I was happy.
Year number two and three- I was having "mental" problems. I became agitated easily.
I was full of anxiety. I was very depressed. I was diagnosed as severely depressed and
went on Wellbutrin. My psych doc summed up my depression as an inability to handle
life since I previously used food as a tool for coping. Some clues that something
was seriously wrong with me...
Orthostatic Hypotension- Basically, when I would quickly stand up my heart rate
would go up and my blood pressure would severely drop.
Fatigue- I still felt like I was 342 pounds. I had trouble lifting my body up.
Joint pain- My knees hurt! And later on, everything would hurt.
Dry nose
Dry mouth
Plugged ears
Dry skin
Grain like feeling in my eyes- ulcers on the inside flap of my eyelids sensitivity
to light (some of you probably already clued in on one part of my future diagnosis
but just wait)
Here is the 1st big symptom- rash. In fact, my first full body rash came during
Dr. Rabkins fashion show. I had a horrible rash from neck to my ankles. It finally
went away with prednisone treatment.
2nd big symptom- I had a false positive on a HIV test. I took an HIV test (ERISA)
and it came up positive. I literally had a mental breakdown. I thought my life
was over. Then (thank god) I had the Western Blot test. It came up negative.
(On a side note, I've had three followup Western Blot tests-all negative).
If you doubt me, go back in the archives, you'll see numerous email posts regarding
the above symptoms and my general concern.
But the real kicker is my blood tests were coming up ok. Not great but ok.
I was always close to the minimum needed to be acceptable. Every so often my B12
would come out slightly low and my doc would encourage me to take more B12.
I would go to my doc or call Dr. Rabkin or talk to my pdoc about my symptoms.
I would tell about whatever symptom was bothering me the most at the time, but
in general I wouldn't put all the symptoms together. None of my doctors asked about
whether I was having other symptoms.
Don't let me forget another biggie here- I had a revision in the year 2000.
I was losing too much weight. After the surgery, I had lots of blood loss and
in fact, I had to be put on an iron drip. Important point for later.
Congrats if you're still reading. Sorry if I'm boring you.
Now we are coming to year four and five. I'm diagnosed as Bipolar rapid
cycling mixed state. Boy that is a mouth full. So, I'm actually happy. I'm
relieved I have an "excuse" for my declining mental condition. I'm struggling
like crazy with my short term memory. I actually get psychotic and start
hitting myself (usually with brushes or other stick like objects- now when
I think about it, I'm embarressed). I can't retrieve simple words even though I
can "see" them in my brain. My intelligence is still excellent (no I'm
not patting myself on the back) but I can't remember how to spell
anything. So, here I am a girl with bipolar disorder (so I think). Wrong
diagnosis- I would find out later.
I should mention that after year three I am religious about taking my vitamins.
I take fat soluable multivitamins plus supplemental B12, potassium, calcium citrate,
B100, fish oils, trace minerals and folic acid.
My joint pain is getting worse. In fact, I became addicted to Norco (Vicodin but
twice the strength). The Norco not only helped the joint pain but it calmed my mental
imbalance. By the way, excuse the misspellings. I still have a horrible time
with spelling words. Luckily, I went to my sister and admitted my addiction.
I flew to Florida where she lived on an Air Force Base (she's a Captain) and
I spent one week going cold turkey and thru horrible withdrawals.
My fatigue was getting worse. I was missing classes and I couldn't concentrate worth
anything. Luckily, I had an incredible Dean at my law school *****ally recognized
that there was something wrong with me. I had gone from a 4.0 undergrad to a
barely passing law student.
I was getting night sweats. My face was always feeling hot but I had no tempurture
(see I know that word is spelled wrong but I for the life of me, can't remember how to
spell it correctly). I was getting muscle spasms so bad at night (also known as
charlie horses) in my calf muscles, I would wake up screaming in pain. I
was experiencing dental and gum problems as well.
Finally, the fatigue became so bad, I was unable to get out of bed. I would get up and
go to the bathroom and be so exhausted, I would fall back in bed.
The last straw came when I tried to get out of bed and fainted. I hit my head on the
corner of my desk and it resulted in a huge gash on my head. My mom found me
unconscious on the floor hours later and I was rushed to the hospital.
Thank god I found a wonderful doctor while in the hospital. She spent an hour going
over six years of medical records and asking me about symptoms that went back from
the beginning of my surgery.
I was diagnosed as having systemic lupus erthematosus, secondary sjogren's disease
syndrome, peripheral neurophathy, hypoglycemia and pernicious anemia. I think
that is everything but the diseases are a blur at this point since it just doesn't
really make a difference what the disease is called as long as you get the right treatment.
I found out alot about blood work at that point. For example, pernicious anemia
(B12 deficiency) is often misdiagnosed because a B12 level might show up as "normal"
on bloodwork (at the lower limits) but when combined with a folate and zinc
deficiency can cause what is called "megaloblastic madness".
In other words, the pernicious anemia was causing dementia that was almost
neuropsychiatrically irreversible. So, I was truly losing my mind.
I'm not going to go disease by disease and tell you what causes what symptom since
that would mean this email would be even longer (god help us if this thing got any longer).
I want to tell you what the end result is- I am still suffering from extreme fatigue.
I barely can get out of bed and my memory is shot, my spelling sucks, and my cognitive
skills are horrible. Everytime I blow my nose it bleeds. My ears always feel like I
just walked off a plane. I sweat like I just ran a marathon and I have no life. I'm down
to my last $400. I couldn't go to my own law school graduation because I was so fatigued.
I've been in the doctor's office 6 times in the past couple months for dehydration.
I've been trying very hard to get up and move about and I've been paying the price.
I need to get well soon so I can get a job. Let alone work as an attorney.
Even though I'm still very ill, I am hopeful. After numerous tests (and I mean gross tests
as well as numerous blood tests), the docs have determined that I malabsorb at such
a rate that vitamins don't even get a chance to do their job in my body. I've been told
over and over by the specialists that my disorders/diseases are definately an indirect
result of my surgery by way of severe malabsorption and nutriutional deficiency.
I don't blame Dr. Rabkin. I don't blame any of my doctors. I blame myself. I am (or was)
a smart person and should have realized earlier on that the accumulation of my
symptoms was something more serious.
And if you would ask me if I would have had the DS surgery again. I would say no.
The pain of being fat both physically and mentally doesn't compare to the joint pain
and the muscle pain I have now and watching myself mentally fall apart.
Please don't attack me or tell me my medical terminology is wrong, etc. I don't have the
energy. I just hope I may have helped one person be more diligent about their follow up.
Whether it is one year after surgery or 10 years later!
Hugs to you all,
Michelle R.
Revision: Lap Re-Sleeve November 10, 2008
Dr. Aniceto Baltasar, Alcoy, Spain
www.bodybybaltasar.wordpress.com
Read my DS Blog: http://livingthedslife.wordpress.com/
Pretty much everything can be fixed if you're willing to do the work.
Really - I've seen people on death's door come back to full, robust health - in a relatively very short period of time.
Don't get paranoid - get disciplined!
Hugs,
dina
Revision: Lap Re-Sleeve November 10, 2008
Dr. Aniceto Baltasar, Alcoy, Spain
www.bodybybaltasar.wordpress.com
Read my DS Blog: http://livingthedslife.wordpress.com/
This whole DS thing feels too good to be true for me, I'm at a normal weight, I have no bathroom issues, and I couldn't be happier.
But I do have to remind myself that things can be fixed according to labs, and it's easier because I stay on top of them than if I was non-compliant.
HW 316/ SW 285/ CW 151/ GW 150
5'9
If this lurker is reading: I have been there myself with depression so bad that you feel like you don't deserve to be healthy. Although you know in your mind what needs to be done, you can't bring yourself to take care of yourself. In a way, it is like passive, slow-motion suicide.
Frankly, if you are in that state, I think you need to have a serious conversation with your mental health professional and revisit your meds and/or increase the talk therapy. Please take care. You DO deserve to be well and healthy. You deserve to be well-nourished. You are worth taking those vitamins.