My thoughts about WLS and who should have (WARNING: Big Opinions You Might Not Like)
Note: Not all size acceptance activists are fat-ist. I, for one, am not. I am neither pro-nor anti-fat.
Jus' sayin'.
Carry on! :)
Jus' sayin'.
Carry on! :)
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Emergency Bowel Repair 6/08 -Dr. Meilahn, Temple U. Upper and Lower Bleph/Lower Face Lift 12/08
Fraxel Repair 2/09-- Lower Bleph Re-Do 5/09 -Dr. Pontell, Media PA Mastopexy/Massive
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6/24/09 ---Butt Lift and Lateral Thighplasty Scheduled 7/6/10 - Dr. Ivor Kaplan VA Beach
Total Cost: $33,500 Start wt: 368 RNY wt: 300 Goal wt: 150 Current wt: 148.2 BMI: 24.7
Diana,
You have many sound points. I especially find point 4 intriguing regarding sexual fetishists who base their attraction on size. I have actually had former BBW lover/friends tell me I didn't need the surgery and that they wouldn't be attracted to me as a thin person. I explained that I was doing this for my health and yes it would improve my looks and self esteem and then kindly told them to **** off.
I had many friends who found acceptance in the BBW community and would only go to BBW events etc. For a year, I even modeled as part of the BBW acceptance movement but after a while I found it sickening because I realized the shallowness of the whole thing because it too is based on size.
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You have to be of a certain fatness for these particular guys to like you, of a certain size for the BBW modeling. These people weren't neccesarily judging on personality, looks or the overall package but the width and girth of the ass. Comparitively, where the world of high fashion modeling often bases beauty on stick thin appearances the BBW world is often just as shallow.
You have many sound points. I especially find point 4 intriguing regarding sexual fetishists who base their attraction on size. I have actually had former BBW lover/friends tell me I didn't need the surgery and that they wouldn't be attracted to me as a thin person. I explained that I was doing this for my health and yes it would improve my looks and self esteem and then kindly told them to **** off.
I had many friends who found acceptance in the BBW community and would only go to BBW events etc. For a year, I even modeled as part of the BBW acceptance movement but after a while I found it sickening because I realized the shallowness of the whole thing because it too is based on size.
See plushcatclub.com
See me at cafepress.com/plushcatclub (Dolce Diavannia)
You have to be of a certain fatness for these particular guys to like you, of a certain size for the BBW modeling. These people weren't neccesarily judging on personality, looks or the overall package but the width and girth of the ass. Comparitively, where the world of high fashion modeling often bases beauty on stick thin appearances the BBW world is often just as shallow.
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I like you and respect your opinion. I also happen to hold perhaps the exact opposite opinion.
I think the bmi cut off should be individual, not higher. In fact, I think diabetics. and pre-diabetics and even folks at risk of diabetes should be able to get the DS. Your idea that people with overweight bmi's who exercise actually live longer than too skinny non-exercisers dose not consider that if diabetes causes someone to lose a foot or lower leg, then meaningful exercise (and other aspects of the enjoyment of life) is seriously limited.
I do know that I would not live longer with my higher BMI. My severe sleep apnea was literally killing me. I could not exercise away enough excess weight to relieve the trachea pressure because my bones and joints were in massive pain (even though my bmi was only in the 40's). I was at serious risk from the most common illnesses, like the flu, because my body was unable to heal itself due to my massive sleep deprivation caused by obstructive sleep apnea. My peripheral edema made my fingers ache all the time.
Worst of all, I had to sleep with the big, noisy CPAP. Though my husband was there, literally inches away, I felt alone. We could not talk, cause it was too noisy with the machine on and to take it off to comment about some little thing caused 15 minutes of readjustment and resealing the darn thing. When my darling husband whispered "good night, sweetie" I didn't hear it. Our last kiss was long before sleep, or on the hand or with a contraption between us. When I was able to ditch that CPAP was one of the most joyous nights of my life. It was like sleeping with my husband again for the first time and knowing that the CPAP would not interfere anymore. What an amazing wow moment. I find it hard to believe that you really think I should still be suffering with OSA and using a CPAP.
I am happy to allow you the choice to manage your health any way you choose. If you get diabetes, feel free to manage it with exercise, good eating and medicines and amputation if it comes to that, and live a good long time. (OK, scratch the good, keep the long.) Most of us haven't had that much good luck managing our health the diet and exercise way, pre-ds, so maybe you'll excuse us for not making that choice.
Saving my $$$ in case I need to take DH (BMI in the 30's) to Spain to get a DS to reduce his risk of ending up in a wheelchair like both of his grandmothers.
I would have been mortified had you come up to me at the meeting and suggested I wasn't bright enough to have tried conventional methods prior to seeking a surgical one. Don't you think PacLap (and every other reputible clinic) screens for this?
Both of my parents died before they were 62. I got my DS at 42.5. So, I figure I only had another 2 decades max., anyway. The lack of studies for what happens post-DS 20+ years does not concern me so much because, I was most likely going to spent that extra time buried in the ground without the DS.
I think there are plenty of obese, MO and SMO people who seem healthy, until, like both of us, they're not. How bout we let them and their doctors decide for themselves if/when they need surgical intervention, 'mkay?
I think the bmi cut off should be individual, not higher. In fact, I think diabetics. and pre-diabetics and even folks at risk of diabetes should be able to get the DS. Your idea that people with overweight bmi's who exercise actually live longer than too skinny non-exercisers dose not consider that if diabetes causes someone to lose a foot or lower leg, then meaningful exercise (and other aspects of the enjoyment of life) is seriously limited.
I do know that I would not live longer with my higher BMI. My severe sleep apnea was literally killing me. I could not exercise away enough excess weight to relieve the trachea pressure because my bones and joints were in massive pain (even though my bmi was only in the 40's). I was at serious risk from the most common illnesses, like the flu, because my body was unable to heal itself due to my massive sleep deprivation caused by obstructive sleep apnea. My peripheral edema made my fingers ache all the time.
Worst of all, I had to sleep with the big, noisy CPAP. Though my husband was there, literally inches away, I felt alone. We could not talk, cause it was too noisy with the machine on and to take it off to comment about some little thing caused 15 minutes of readjustment and resealing the darn thing. When my darling husband whispered "good night, sweetie" I didn't hear it. Our last kiss was long before sleep, or on the hand or with a contraption between us. When I was able to ditch that CPAP was one of the most joyous nights of my life. It was like sleeping with my husband again for the first time and knowing that the CPAP would not interfere anymore. What an amazing wow moment. I find it hard to believe that you really think I should still be suffering with OSA and using a CPAP.
I am happy to allow you the choice to manage your health any way you choose. If you get diabetes, feel free to manage it with exercise, good eating and medicines and amputation if it comes to that, and live a good long time. (OK, scratch the good, keep the long.) Most of us haven't had that much good luck managing our health the diet and exercise way, pre-ds, so maybe you'll excuse us for not making that choice.
Saving my $$$ in case I need to take DH (BMI in the 30's) to Spain to get a DS to reduce his risk of ending up in a wheelchair like both of his grandmothers.
I would have been mortified had you come up to me at the meeting and suggested I wasn't bright enough to have tried conventional methods prior to seeking a surgical one. Don't you think PacLap (and every other reputible clinic) screens for this?
Both of my parents died before they were 62. I got my DS at 42.5. So, I figure I only had another 2 decades max., anyway. The lack of studies for what happens post-DS 20+ years does not concern me so much because, I was most likely going to spent that extra time buried in the ground without the DS.
I think there are plenty of obese, MO and SMO people who seem healthy, until, like both of us, they're not. How bout we let them and their doctors decide for themselves if/when they need surgical intervention, 'mkay?
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8.5 months post DSNormal BMI, woohoo!
8.5 months post DSNormal BMI, woohoo! I am still sputtering in outrage over the image of Ms. Postop DS'er telling PREOPS at a surgeon's support group meeting that they should diet and exercise. OMG I would have shredded her to tiny bits so that she would have been looking for herself for years thereafter.
OF ALL THE COLOSSAL ******G GALL!!!!!!
OF ALL THE COLOSSAL ******G GALL!!!!!!
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