Reminder: Almost any Californian can get approved for the DS!
Just in case you aren't aware of this -- if you haven't researched the DS, then you don't have all the information you need to make an informed decision about which surgery to have.
And if you live in CA, it is likely that even if your insurance SAYS they don't cover the DS -- INCLUDING KAISER -- if you want the DS, you can appeal to the CA Dept. of Managed Health Care or the CA Dept. of Insurance, which will overturn denials of the DS in almost every case. That includes if you want the DS and your insurance says that you have to have a BMI >50 -- you can get that denial overturned as well:
The CA Dept. of Managed Health Care CONSISTENTLY overturns denials of the DS based on BMI <50: http://wp.dmhc.ca.gov/imr/detail.asp?id=8445&optFormat=html& cboDetermination=0&cmdSearch=Search&cboMC=Morbid+Obesity&cbo Treatment2=0&cboDiagnosis2=0&cboDT=0&cboType=0&txtDetails=du odenal
If you are interested, please come on over to the DS Forum for more information and assistance.
And if you live in CA, it is likely that even if your insurance SAYS they don't cover the DS -- INCLUDING KAISER -- if you want the DS, you can appeal to the CA Dept. of Managed Health Care or the CA Dept. of Insurance, which will overturn denials of the DS in almost every case. That includes if you want the DS and your insurance says that you have to have a BMI >50 -- you can get that denial overturned as well:
The CA Dept. of Managed Health Care CONSISTENTLY overturns denials of the DS based on BMI <50: http://wp.dmhc.ca.gov/imr/detail.asp?id=8445&optFormat=html& cboDetermination=0&cmdSearch=Search&cboMC=Morbid+Obesity&cbo Treatment2=0&cboDiagnosis2=0&cboDT=0&cboType=0&txtDetails=du odenal
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If you are interested, please come on over to the DS Forum for more information and assistance.
An important reminder to be sure.
I think THIS recent but hardly uncommon decision also points out WHY we fight so hard to help pre-ops be fully INFORMED and, moreover, AVOID the HEARTBREAK of REGAIN and MISERY at having to so RESTRICTIVELY DIET FOR LIFE that we DS'rs so often see and get privately and publicly messaged from other WLS surgery types years out. How many times have you, I and so many of us who had the foresight and good fortune to choose the DS have gotten tear laden keyboard PMs from post-ops in abject agony seeking a revision to DS?? Not an uncomplicated or without significant risks procedure.
"If only I had known about or thought the DS was even an option." My surgeon never told me about the DS or misled me and even lied about the risks and benefits... "
The Reviewers findings here state what we have known for years, and more importantly, what can be backed by scientifically, peer reviewed LONG and short-term well populated studies.
http://tinyurl.com/5t9brc
"Reference ID # Type
MN05-4402 Medical Necessity
Patient Age Patient Gender
54 Female
Diagnosis Category Diagnosis Subcategory
Morbid Obesity Hypertension
Treatment Category Treatment Subcategory
General Surgery Biliopancreatic Diversion
IMRO Determination
Overturned Decision of Health Plan
Reviewer's Findings
The patient is a 54-year-old female who is 5’3” weighing 226 pounds with a body mass index (BMI) of 41. She has comorbid conditions of hypertension, gastroesophageal reflux disease, and degenerative joint disease. She has undergone a psychological evaluation and is considered an appropriate candidate for weight loss surgery. She is requesting authorization for a duodenal switch procedure. The Health Plan has denied this request and in the alternative authorized Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Peer-reviewed literature demonstrates duodenal switch has superior long-term outcomes and quality of life compared to Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. In addition, the incidence of weight regain is much higher for patients who undergo Roux-en-Y gastric bypass than those who undergo duodenal switch. Furthermore, there is less likelihood of complications with duodenal switch than with Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Therefore, I have determined the requested procedure is medically necessary for treatment of the patient’s medical condition. The Health Plan’s denial should be overturned."
Rockne
I think THIS recent but hardly uncommon decision also points out WHY we fight so hard to help pre-ops be fully INFORMED and, moreover, AVOID the HEARTBREAK of REGAIN and MISERY at having to so RESTRICTIVELY DIET FOR LIFE that we DS'rs so often see and get privately and publicly messaged from other WLS surgery types years out. How many times have you, I and so many of us who had the foresight and good fortune to choose the DS have gotten tear laden keyboard PMs from post-ops in abject agony seeking a revision to DS?? Not an uncomplicated or without significant risks procedure.
"If only I had known about or thought the DS was even an option." My surgeon never told me about the DS or misled me and even lied about the risks and benefits... "
The Reviewers findings here state what we have known for years, and more importantly, what can be backed by scientifically, peer reviewed LONG and short-term well populated studies.
http://tinyurl.com/5t9brc
"Reference ID # Type
MN05-4402 Medical Necessity
Patient Age Patient Gender
54 Female
Diagnosis Category Diagnosis Subcategory
Morbid Obesity Hypertension
Treatment Category Treatment Subcategory
General Surgery Biliopancreatic Diversion
IMRO Determination
Overturned Decision of Health Plan
Reviewer's Findings
The patient is a 54-year-old female who is 5’3” weighing 226 pounds with a body mass index (BMI) of 41. She has comorbid conditions of hypertension, gastroesophageal reflux disease, and degenerative joint disease. She has undergone a psychological evaluation and is considered an appropriate candidate for weight loss surgery. She is requesting authorization for a duodenal switch procedure. The Health Plan has denied this request and in the alternative authorized Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Peer-reviewed literature demonstrates duodenal switch has superior long-term outcomes and quality of life compared to Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. In addition, the incidence of weight regain is much higher for patients who undergo Roux-en-Y gastric bypass than those who undergo duodenal switch. Furthermore, there is less likelihood of complications with duodenal switch than with Roux-en-Y gastric bypass. Therefore, I have determined the requested procedure is medically necessary for treatment of the patient’s medical condition. The Health Plan’s denial should be overturned."
Rockne
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on 11/2/08 4:27 pm - sunny, CA
on 11/2/08 4:27 pm - sunny, CA
BUMP
Thanks for this post and your continuing dedication to paying it forward. I hope that I will soon be one of those cases you can reference for insurance denials based on BMI < 50. Health Net has until 11/13 to give me an answer to my appeal and then finally I'll be able to get an IMR with the DMHC. After 6 years this is finally going to happen. Too bad the case manager from HN isn't very helpful and will only tell me that my appeal is being looked at by a nurse. Why don't they just deny my appeal and get it over with. Oh how the waiting is killing me.
Thanks for this post and your continuing dedication to paying it forward. I hope that I will soon be one of those cases you can reference for insurance denials based on BMI < 50. Health Net has until 11/13 to give me an answer to my appeal and then finally I'll be able to get an IMR with the DMHC. After 6 years this is finally going to happen. Too bad the case manager from HN isn't very helpful and will only tell me that my appeal is being looked at by a nurse. Why don't they just deny my appeal and get it over with. Oh how the waiting is killing me.
(deactivated member)
on 11/3/08 8:00 am - sunny, CA
on 11/3/08 8:00 am - sunny, CA
Thanks Dogma. My insurance is in for a surprise. You'd think they'd know I won't go away since I've been insured with them for almost 6 yrs now. My DH has been with them for almost 10. Oh well guess I'll go back to waiting. What a pain in the butt HN is. Can't wait until I can get my IMR with the DMHC.