5 day pouch test

jdr1208
on 1/26/10 1:45 am - Worcester, MA

hi guys, i have a confession, i feel like ive fallen off the wagon, i have let myself slip into old eating habits and im only 6 months out. i have done well, i started at 268 i am down to 202, but ive been within the same 201-209 for 2 months now. i have been losing inches, 62 so far infact but i know i have fallen off track and become very dissapointed in myself and discouraged at my weight loss, i come on here and see how well everyone else is doing, people have blown past me in their weight loss and i started to panick feeling like i royally screwed this up. so i called my husband and asked him to help me

tomorrow i am starting a 5 day pouch test to see if i can get myself motivated and back on track
anyone else going through this?
anyone else want to join the wagon and do the pouch test with me?
 

♥jill♥

CATHERINE81
on 1/26/10 3:40 am - BROCKTON, MA
hey mamma fill me in whats a pouch test ill do it let me know
jdr1208
on 1/26/10 4:25 am - Worcester, MA

The 5 Day Pouch Test by Kaye Bailey
 

Does my pouch still work?
Have I broken my pouch?
Have I ruined my tool?
 


Below you will find a brief list of the menu for each day. Please click the "Read more" links for further detail and hints and tips that will enable your success with the 5 Day Pouch Test. Days One & Two: Liquid Protein
low-carb protein shakes, broth, clear or cream soups, sugar-free gelatin and pudding. Read more.
Day 3: Soft Protein
canned fish (tuna or salmon) eggs, fresh soft fish (tilapia, sole, orange roughy. Read more.
Day 4: Firm Protein
ground meat (turkey, beef, chicken, lamb), shellfish, scallops, lobster, fresh salmon or halibut. Read more.
Day 5: Solid Protein
white meat poultry, beef steak, pork, lamb, wild game

There has been a great deal of lively discussion lately about how to do the 5 Day Pouch Test correctly. The guidelines for the plan are very specific and deserve review.

First Off - the 5DPT is a drastic measure to stop a carb monster or slider food habit. It is a rapid return to compliance with the general rules of successful weight loss or maintenance after weight loss surgery. The 5 Day Pouch Test is not intended to be a way of life - it is a trip to the dietary and mental emergency room in order to stop further injury from out of control or improper eating.
Understanding Hunger, Appetite & Satiety

The 5 Day Pouch Test is intended to prepare us for the eternal Day 6 way of eating that includes a high protein diet with the inclusion of nutritious complex carbohydrate vegetables and low-glycemic fruits and limited whole-grain starch. In addition Day 6 means following the Liquid Restrictions and avoiding slider foods or processed carbohydrate grazing.

From the Plan:

 

This is the 5-day plan that I (Kaye Bailey) have developed and used to determine if my pouch is working and return to that tight newbie feeling. And a bonus to this plan, it helps one get back to the basics of the weight loss surgery diet and it triggers weight loss. Also, it is not difficult to follow and if you are in a stage of carb-cycling it will break this pattern. Sounds pretty good, right?

The 5 Day Pouch Test should never leave you feeling hungry. You can eat as much of the prescribed menu as you want during the day to satiate hungry and prevent snacking on slider foods and/or white carbs. You must drink a minimum of 64 ounces of water each day. A reduction of caffeinated beverages is suggested, but do not stop caffeine cold turkey.

Weight loss is not the intent of the 5 Day Pouch Test, however, many who have tried this plan report a significant drop in weight. More importantly they celebrate a renewed sense of control over their pouch and eating habits and easily transition back to a healthy post-surgical weight loss way of eating.

 

Although weight loss often occurs on the 5DPT it is when we follow Day 6 consistently that we achieve greater weight loss and weight maintenance. We also feel better about ourselves.

Days 1 & 2 are difficult - liquid both days. This is necessary to rest your tiny tummy pouch and reduce any inflamation that has occured from eating food that irritates the tiny pouch and the stoma opening through which food flows to the digestive track. It is very similar to how we prepared for surgery and how we nurtured our new digestive system after surgery. Think of it as coddling an infant - you would not feed a new baby fried chicken or pretzels or ribeye steak or chocolate cake. So why feed a new bariatric tummy these difficult foods? If you feel frightened or unable to do Days 1 and 2 then do a modified test starting with Day 3. Repeat Day 3 twice, do Day 4 twice, move on to day 5 twice (this makes it a 6 day test) and then begin the eternal Day 6. It is better to do the 5DPT as outlined, But doing a modified test is better than sinking further into a processed carb cycle or slider food addiction.

A Plan to Work the 5 Day Pouch Test

There is no such thing as perfection in life or the 5 Day Pouch Test. In fact, nobody has ever done the test perfectly, not me or Queen Gretchen or Toris or any of the other 5DPT experts. But what we have done is our best on any given day and learned our way back to following the proven rules that work with our weight loss surgery. Use the 5DPT as a learning tool; not a measure of success or failure. We have spent enough of our lives measuring personal worth by the way we eat and the number on the scale. The 5DPT is about reclamation of your power to do the very best at living healthy with surgical weight loss and beyond to maintenance. Be kind to yourself.

Some keys to working Day 6:
**Plan you meals

**Add new things to your diet in the way of lean protein and healthy complex carbohydrates.

**Forgive slip-ups and let them teach you.

**Embrace the WOW moments and let them motivate you.

**Never underestimate the power of the pouch - it is there for you if you work it.

**Finally - Remember you are never alone. One year out, 20-years out you have a friend in the Neighborhood.


Questions & Answers:
This sounds like just another short fad diet.
I can understand this feedback, particularly if it comes from one who has not had weight loss surgery or gone through the stages of the post-op diet. The 5 Day Pouch Test is drastic and it has to be. If a person is feeling out of control with their eating, feeling like they have failed at weight loss surgery and gaining weight then drastic action is necessary. This plan allows that individual to take control in 5 days and exchange destructive eating behavior for appropriate eating behavior that results in feeling good and weight loss. In addition, those who started the plan feeling hopeless and desperate come away with new confidence in their ability to work their surgical weight loss tool.

What are liquid restrictions?
After surgical weight loss patients are advised to avoid drinking water 30 minutes before meals and 30 minutes after meals. (The time restriction varies from surgeon to surgeon, but must use the 30 minutes before, 30 minutes after restriction. Follow your surgeon's specific directions.) In addition there should be no liquid consumed while eating. Following these liquid restrictions allows the pouch to feel tight sooner and stay tight longer, thus leaving the patient feeling satiated for longer periods of time without experiencing the urge to snack.

One exception to the mealtime liquid restriction is an alcoholic beverage. Due to the rapid absorption of alcohol after a gastric stomach reducing surgery patients should not drink alcohol on an empty stomach. Patients who elect to include an alcoholic beverage in their regular food plan should drink it only with meals. Alcoholic beverages should be limited to one serving per day or less

Why do I need to take only 15 minutes for meals? My center told me to take 30 minutes for each meal.
Many bariatric centers recommend patients take 30 minutes for meals. Some even instruct patients to use a stop watch and time 3 minutes between bites of food. The reason is to slow down the eating habits of the recovering morbidly obese person. After some time patients who comply with the 30 minute meal rule tend to be able to eat more and often linger over the meal, even though satiation has resulted. Consequently they eat more food, particularly if they are not following liquid restriction and using liquid to wash the food through the pouch.

During the pouch test a person is following the liquid restriction and eating a high protein diet. By limiting the time to eat to 15 minutes one will enjoy the satisfaction feeling that is the desired result of a gastric pouch

These are questions many weight loss surgery post-ops find themselves asking occasionally during their journey. Perhaps it feels like we can eat more food or we know that we are eating more food. Sometimes these questions are asked when there has been a weight regain.
This is the 5-day plan that I have developed and used to determine if my pouch is working and return to that tight newbie feeling. And a bonus to this plan, it helps one get back to the basics of the weight loss surgery diet and it triggers weight loss. Also, it is not difficult to follow and if you are in a stage of carb-cycling it will break this pattern. Sounds pretty good, right?
The 5 Day Pouch Test should never leave you feeling hungry. You can eat as much of the prescribed menu as you want during the day to satiate hungry and prevent snacking on slider foods and/or white carbs. You must drink a minimum of 64 ounces of water each day. A reduction of caffeinated beverages is suggested, but do not stop caffeine cold turkey.
Weight loss is not the intent of the 5 Day Pouch Test, however, many who have tried this plan report a significant drop in weight. More importantly they celebrate a renewed sense of control over their pouch and eating habits and easily transition back to a healthy post-surgical weight loss way of eating.
Understanding Hunger, Appetite and Satiety
http://www.thinnertimesforum.com/long-term-post-op/28040-you r-pouch-still-working.html
luanne711
on 1/26/10 6:27 am - Bradford, PA
Jill, I suspect you've not fallen off the wagon, I bet you're just in one of those long stalls.

Considering where you started numbers wise and were you are, I believe you are right on track.  Those of us who started at a higher weight, will naturally have a greater weight loss.  I think I'm in that stall right about now and I've been bad with not exercising like I should.   I also have been hit or miss on my protein drinks.

I think lots and lots of protein  and water are the key and I know I've been bad on both of those!!  How well do you do w/those?
Luanne

I started WL journey on Jan 14, 2009 starting weight @ 342 
                              
Surgery date was July 22, 2009 and started @ 310 and and my goal weight
is 150.00.                   
(deactivated member)
on 1/26/10 8:52 am - Glenside, PA
Hi Jill,  Your posts could have been written by me.  I have been the same weight for about two months now (since about Thanksgiving).  I am eating way too many carbs and craving them, too.  I do congratulate myself when I make a good choice; i.e. water instead of that after school snack, but I have not been exercising AT ALL!  I am almost in tears thinking about you and I in this situation. 
I know that I do not feel ready for the 5DPT yet.  I would so not like to disappoint myself, however, I would be happy to support you!  Please consider sending me a message and we can communicate and support each other through this!

I think I will go put on my sports bra and turn on my Wii and get my ass moving.  I have a feeling that, for me, I will never be able to maintain this weight unless I change my habits!  I think this may be just another hard lesson/truth that I have to own up to and learn to suck it up.  And now, I'm off to get my bra.
jdr1208
on 1/26/10 10:10 pm - Worcester, MA
thanks! being super busy i will try for pm's in a bit. i sure could use the motivation and encouragement as well as i hope i can provide the same for others.
what gets me is i felt serious restriction in the beginning and i measured everything, and after a few months i started to feel that hunger again, the hunger i was told wouldnt rear its ugly head again until about a year post op. so i stuck to my 4oz and i was still feeling hungry, i would find myself finishing whats on my sons plate (fussy toddler never finished his food, i should be so lucky if he stays fit!) or cleaning up dinner and taking a few extra bites while putting food away. i have done well with the healthy foods. for the most part. we eat lean meats and chicken and fish, brown rice (im a hardcore carboholic) and when it comes to pasta its been the dreamfields low carb wheat pasta. lots of fresh veggies, minimal fruits, tons of water. i havent slipped into sugary things really, i have had a bite of something here and there, but ive also paid for it. i havent had a serious dumping episode. i have gotten sick and thrown up (for the first 4 months i threw up a lot, even got checked out and everything is fine, im just a puker i guess) some days i feel like id rather drink water than eat and if i do eat its a few bites and i feel sick, and other days i feel like i just need to keep eating, i feel probably head hungry but physically hungry. ont he weekends i try to keep to a good regimen, an egg with my son in the morning, usually left overs for lunch, and a healthy dinner, on the weekdays its not the same, i find it very hard to eat in the morning so i have a protein drink or coffee with protein powder, however by the afternoon i want to sit at my desk and mow! and i have been guilty of buying a bag of cheezits from the vending machine or some nuts and snacking non stop until i realize they are gone. i have a wii fit and i went down to using it like once a month. as of last week ive been back up to using it every other day and trying to be more healthy but i feel my old eating habits coming back to haunt me. even if my pouch is fine, which im sure it is, i feel like i need the discipline of the 5dpt to get my body and my head back on track. unfortunately im fighting a very strong urge to raid the stupid evil vending machine. ug.
so... day one of pouch test... protein drink on my desk...
JadasMom
on 1/29/10 9:44 am - Noblesville, IN
I've been thinking about the 5dpt - I'm at the same place as you with resorting back to old eating habits.  I think I underestimated the mental side of this journey! 

Please keep us posted - I'm interested to find out if the test jump-starts your losing.

Good luck in this journey!
jdr1208
on 1/31/10 10:45 pm - Worcester, MA
the pouch test brought back my feeling of restriction, however i didnt not lose an ounce. i really have no idea what to do at this point? is it too early out to look into a revision? am i crazy? is anyone else stalling and not moving? is there any light at the end of this tunnel?
didikae
on 2/1/10 4:49 am
Hi Jill:

Don't be too hard on yourself, you are probably just in a "Plateau".  Don't let the old habits come back though.  I had my surgery in November 2005.  I was 310 and went down to 155 (my lowest).  Most of my weight came off the first 6 months but then I hit a Plateau and didn't lose any more for about 3 months.  I fluctuated up/down 1-2 lbs each day, it was very frustrating! 

Like you said you are losing inches so that is still EXCELLENT!  Here they have support groups that I attend with other people that have had the surgery and they help alot.  There are a lot of people going through the same thing that you are so maybe you should check and see if there is something like that in your area.

I did the pouch test when I had put 9 lbs back on (like you my old habits came back) and I thought I was going to die!  It worked very well I realized that I am in control and it is up to me to use my "tool" the best way I can.

You hear alot of people say that they don't weigh and they use their clothes as a guide.  NOT ME.  I am on the scale every morning and I diary my weight on the calendar.  I have a "Oh $&#!" weight that I have made for myself and once I reach that I put myself in check and control what I eat.  My OS weight is not what the "charts" say but it is where I am comfortable.  

Hope the pouch test works for you.  Let me know

Di-Di 
Most Active
Recent Topics
Hello 2009ers!!!!
saletiajohnson · 2 replies · 867 views
weight gain
sexyshoediva · 3 replies · 725 views
Still trucking along
babyface12 · 1 replies · 986 views
2013 Update
2_be_me_again · 1 replies · 1069 views
4 Years!
saletiajohnson · 2 replies · 1103 views
×