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on 4/9/05 3:55 am - I Do Believe .. I Do I Do .., VA
Topic: RE: OPPs I did it again ..
Julie , I just posted about protein and why we need it . I know this is why I am not been feeling good. I took the time and emailed a bunch of 2 year out patients here and all of them get in this much . And contribute their maintaining to it as well . I love Nectar - I do the Lemon Tea now .. and I love it . Try the Achieve coffee drinks from Bariatriceating.com if you like coffee . They are great and loaded with protein . Take care , Nat
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on 4/9/05 3:50 am - I Do Believe .. I Do I Do .., VA
Topic: Protein .. Why we truly need it ..
This session is from last nights Chapter Leader Training . I wanted you all to have a copy as well . Enjoy . Why protein supplementation? It¡¯s about Absorption Proteins form the body¡¯s main structural elements and are found in every cell and tissue. Take away the water, and about 75 percent of your weight is protein. Your body uses proteins: ¡Ü for growth ¡Ü to build and repair bone muscles hair connective tissue skin internal organs blood virtually every other body part or tissue Besides building cells and repairing tissue, proteins form antibodies to combat invading bacteria & viruses; they build nucleoproteins (RNA & DNA). They make up the enzymes that power many chemical reactions. They also carry oxygen throughout the body and participate in muscle activity. At least 10,000 different proteins make you what you are and keep you that way. Hormones, antibodies and enzymes that regulate the body¡¯s chemical reactions are all made of protein. Without the right proteins, blood won¡¯t clot properly and cuts won¡¯t heal. Each protein is a large complex molecule made up of a string of building blocks called amino acids. The 20 amino acids the body needs can be linked in thousands of different ways to form thousands of different proteins, each with a unique function in the body. Your body can¡¯t use food protein directly. So after protein is ingested, digestive enzymes break the protein into shorter amino acid chains, and then into individual amino acids. In the gastric bypass patient, this normal digestive process is bypassed. These digestive enzymes are not available until they meet with the food protein in the common channel of the small intestine, and then have only about 5 - 7 ¨ö ft (compared to 20 ft in a ¡°normal¡± digestive tract) to do their job. The amino acids then enter the blood stream and travel to the cells where they are incorporated into proteins the body needs. Nine of the 20 amino acids required by human beings are considered ¡°essential¡± because they come only from the diet; the other 11 are considered ¡°nonessential¡± because the body can make them. The average*** person (the ¡°normal¡±, NON-gastric bypass patient) needs 50-65 grams*** of protein each day. Considering malabsorption of at least 50%**, the RNY patient will need 100-140 grams per day minimum, which cannot be eaten as food because of the small size of the pouch. **Note: Depending on the length of bypass, the RNY patient may absorb as little as 25% or less. But it is normally agreed that even a short proximal will not absorb more than 50%. ***Note: Adults need a minimum of 1 gram of protein for every kilogram of body weight per day to keep from slowly breaking down their own tissues. That¡¯s about 8 grams of protein for every 20 lbs. Malnourished, septic, pregnant, injured or burned patients will require more protein, in the order of 1.5-2.0 g/kg daily. Extra protein is also required after surgical procedures and illness. Carbohydrate malabsorption will result in symptoms of diarrhea and excessive flatus (gas). Malabsorbed carbohydrates that enter the colon are fermented by colon bacteria into gases. Stools seem to float on the water because of their increased gas content (not because of their fat content). This often happens when the gastric bypass patient begins to eat more carbohydrates, instead of protein. Given sufficient time, fat and muscle will be catabolized. Physical examination may reveal signs of weight loss from both fat stores and lean body mass. The patient will be weak and will easily develop fatigue. Fat loss will generally be noted as sunken cheeks and flat buttocks, with wrinkled or loose skin indicative of loss of subcutaneous fat stores. There may be direct evidence of a reduced metabolic rate. The patient will often be mentally slowed. Protein malabsorption Severe loss of body protein may occur before the development of laboratory abnormalities. Clinically, protein deficiency results in edema and diminished muscle mass. Since the immune system is dependent upon adequate proteins, protein deficiency can manifest as recurrent or severe infections. Protein deficiency in children results in growth retardation, mental apathy and irritability, weakness and muscle atrophy, edema, hair loss, deformity of skeletal bone, anorexia, vomiting and diarrhea. Protein-calorie malnutrition is known as marasmus, whereas protein malnutrition by itself is known as kwashiorkor. Protein/Energy Malnutrition Attempts have been made to classify malnutrition into a predominantly protein-depleted (i.e., kwashiorkor) or calorie- (energy-) starved (i.e., marasmus) state. In kwashiorkor, the subject ingests a moderate number of calories, usually as complex carbohydrate (e.g., rice), but very little protein. The liver is therefore supplied with inadequate amino acids. The liver becomes fatty and enlarged. Furthermore, the liver in kwashiorkor inadequately produces other proteins, including albumin, and serum albumin falls, with resulting peripheral edema. With marasmus the subject takes inadequate amounts of protein and calories. The low caloric intake means that only small amounts of carbohydrate are taken with adequate delivery of amino acids from muscle to the liver for protein production. Fatty liver does not occur, and serum albumin levels tend to be normal, with no peripheral edema. Often patients fall between these two extremes of nutritional states, but there are examples of kwashiorkor and marasmus in Western clinical practice. Anorexia nervosa is a classic example of marasmus. Marked muscle wasting and loss of subcutaneous tissue (adipose tissue****ur with normal-sized nonfatty livers and no peripheral edema. In contrast, the intensive care unit patient who has received intravenous dextrose (glucose) without amino acids for a prolonged period will often show a fatty liver and marked hypoalbuminemia (low albumin levels) and edema. Clinical features of protein-energy malnutrition vary depending on the severity and duration of nutrient deficiency, age at onset and the presence or absence of other contributing or conditioning factors. With minimal deficiency, abnormalities may be subtle - particularly in adults, in whom there are no growth requirements. In these patients muscle wasting and loss of subcutaneous fat may be present. Weakness and minimal changes in psychomotor function may develop. Nontender parotid enlargement (glands in the face and neck) may occur, sometimes bilaterally. Patchy brown pigmentation, particularly over the malar eminences of the face, may occur. A lackluster appearance with thinning and increased shedding of hair from the sides of the head, particularly on combing or brushing, may develop. Bradycardia may occur. Variable degrees of hepatomegaly may result, sometimes with steatosis. In patients with protein-energy malnutrition following jejunoileal bypass a wide spectrum of histopathologic change has been observed, similar to findings frequently associated with alcoholic liver disease. In adults with severe protein-energy malnutrition and in growing children, clinical features may be even more significant. Muscle wasting, subcutaneous fat loss, dependent edema and weight loss may be marked. Severe mental apathy and reduced physical activity may occur. Abnormalities in the hair, particularly of children, may be striking. Severe dyspigmentation may develop, especially distally; rarely, alternating strands of light and dark hair are observed. Hair may be removed without pain. Nails may become brittle, with horizontal grooves. An asymmetrical confluent pattern of skin hyperpigmentation may be seen, particularly over perineal and exposed areas, such as the face. Extensive desquamation may occur, leaving depigmented areas of superficial ulcers, particularly on the buttocks and backs of the thighs. Gastrointestinal symptoms are common but variable. These include marked constipation, diarrhea, anorexia or hyperphagia, nausea, vomiting and dehydration. Laboratory features are also variable. Serum proteins may be substantially reduced, including serum albumin and some higher-molecular-weight transfer proteins, such as transferrin, ceruloplasmin, lipoproteins, thyroxin and cortisol binding proteins. Serum amino acid analysis may show a decrease in essential amino acids (i.e., leucine, isoleucine, valine, methionine), and either normal or depressed levels of nonessentials (i.e., glycine, serine, glutamine). The urinary excretion of urea, creatinine and hydroxyproline may decrease. Severe electrolyte abnormalities develop, although serum levels may be normal.
(deactivated member)
on 4/9/05 1:24 am - somewhere in a haller, KY
Topic: RE: Short people and weight loss
I am 5'3" and have lost 124 pounds. I have 22 pounds to lose for my doctor's goal and 42 pounds to lose for my personal goal. I used to work full time, was made to quit a few weeks ago. I worked with infants and she moved me to the two year old room. I can't pick them up because of back issues, so she told me to deal or leave. I left!! I am not going to do anything to hurt myself. I try hard to follow the rules and eat what I am suppose to. Doesn't always work out that way though. I walk a mile to a mile in a half if the weather is nice. I can't afford to join a gym or the YMCA. I coached cheerleading and we streched there, that was twice a week. Now that is over. LOL I don't do anything different from you. Our bodies are just different. I do know where you are coming from though. It hurts when I see someome else at goal or under goal that had the surgery around the same time or after me. I think you are doing great. You maybe a slower loser and that may be a good thing in a way. I have read from others who lose slower, they don't have all the batwings and hanging tummies as bad as the ones who lose faster. Best wishes Toni
J. Stinard
on 4/9/05 1:10 am - Prattville, AL
Topic: RE: Short people and weight loss
Unfortunately ours bodies don't go as fast as we would like sometimes. I am only told to up my protein and water intake when things get slow. Now that Nat mentioned we should be getting in 140g a day....I am surely lacking and that would explain my slow loss lately. I am 5'3 and I started at 265. I joined the 'century club' at 7mo but have only lost 10 more lbs in the last 4mo. since then. I was told that the best weight loss period is the first 6mo and after that we had to step up and work harder at it. I agree....I did not exercise at all until now. I am still not on a regular exercise routine but I am trying. I went to the gym for the first time the other day. I guess we can no longer take for grantid that is it going to 'fall off ' on its own. Although I know I can only speak for myself in that area. SOme of the May Babies have been exercise role models. I do not have a job outside of my home. I am a stay-at-home mom of 3 kiddos. For me I know I have been making 'not so good' food choices on a daily basis for at least one meal and sometimes 2. Or poor snacks here and there. I need to bite the bullet and go buy a tub of my Zero Carb Isopure in creamy vanilla (shich tastes awesome when I make it...so that is not a problem) and make at least 1-25g and hopefully 2 a day. I am just plain ole lazy. Sorry...I wanted to give you a little advise and I ended up giving a testamony on how 'bad' I am...lolol I do wish you lots of luck....HUGS....I wish I could be more of a help. Take care, Julie S. 265/155/153 5'3 tt/hernia repair/scar revision approved!!
J. Stinard
on 4/9/05 12:58 am - Prattville, AL
Topic: RE: OPPs I did it again ..
OH NAT......I am so glad you are ok!!! It gives us a little lesson. HOLY MOLY....140g??? My surgeon only said 60g and I have issues getting in that much.....maybe this is why I am only losing 1lb a month. I haven't drank protein in forever. I tried the fuzzy navel nectar the other day and about lost it!!!lol I usually drink zero carb Isopure vanilla but all I have is the chos. It is good but actually causes me to dump slightly for some reason. I will get on the ball to try to prevent this from happening to me.....especially since the last 2 days I have had a million dizzy spells....maybe I should get a clue. AGain....I am SO glad you are ok! Julie S.
(deactivated member)
on 4/8/05 11:02 pm - OH
Topic: Short people and weight loss
This is for people who are 5'3" or less! How long did it take you to lose 100 pounds ? My anniversary is May 11th and I have lost 80 lbs but it has stalled there for the past month. My goal is 135 lbs and I have 40 more to go to get there. I am not over-eating or eating the wrong foods etc. My dream was to lose 100 pounds by my surgery anniversary. Has anyone here who is "vertically challenged" managed to do that? Do you work full time?(I do) Have you done something extraordinary? Please help!!! Thanks, Tootsie (sitting at 175.5 and fuming....)
(deactivated member)
on 4/8/05 9:23 pm - I Do Believe .. I Do I Do .., VA
Topic: OPPs I did it again ..
Yepper I passed out again yesterday ,... Just like I did at Christmas time .. from what you ask .. No protein and lack of fluids .. I was so busy yesterday at work , I forgot to eat my snack ... and drink my fluids .. I ended up at the ER ---- again .. They treated me for stress .. but the real diagnosis came from Dr.Gantz - the OBESITY HELP CHAPTER DIRECTOR .. We had a session last night for team leaders and she had this happen to her last week .. same thing .. only to learn that she had skipped part of her daily regime of water and protein .... Now stress adds to it as well .. but you would think I had learned my lesson .. So if you are reading this .. and you think you can skip meals .. not get in your 140 grams of protein .. yes I said 140 grams .. ( our bodies do not absorb it all ) think again .. Get in that 64 ounces of water .. with out it you can not even distribute the protein chains .. and you have waisted what you ate ... I will be posting later on the lesson we had last night on nutrician .. I hope you all find it beneficial . Love and Huggles to you , Natalie
pperkins
on 4/8/05 5:52 am - Gervias, OR
Topic: Interesting Challege For Ya
Hey all, You might have noticed the quote in my sig line. I was thinking about the subject of temptation last week realized that I seem to get tempted ALOT with foods that I know aren't part of my goals. (I don't believe in "bad" food, lol) So I grabbed a notebook and took it with me everywhere I went last week with this goal: Write down every situation where I am offered, of have available for free foods outside my meal plans. Anything I buy or pay for doesn't count and I can't ask someone else to buy it for me. Hold onto your shorts... In five days (four of them at work) I had the opportunity to eat something outside my own meal plans, for FREE, 61 times!!! Some of those foods include: Dunkin Donuts (work) Donuts (Church) Crispy Creme Donuts (work) Carmel Corn (Les Schawb) Lasagna (work) Cheese cake (Costco) Shortbread Cookies (Costco) Biscotti (a friend at Starbucks) Other places I was offered food were: Church, My father's nursing home, the bowling alley, the gym (sheesh!), my wife's work, two gas stations, and my God-daugters nursery. The list goes on an on! Holy Schmollies! I'm going to keep this notebook and the next time some dimbulb tells me how easy I've had it, I'm going to show them the list and ask if they know any alcoholics or drug addicts (I consider myself a food addict) that could turn down 61 opportunities for a free hit, pill or drink every week! I'm going to track again this week, trying to estimate the amount of each sample and at the end of the week I'm going to add it all up and see how many calories, carbs, and fat it would have added to my diet. In "The Day" I never passed up the opportunity for a free munchie! You might want to try this, it was quite an eye opener. Blessings, -Perry 376/335/212/185 123 Pounds Gone! "There's just one rule with no exception. Before victory comes temptation. The greater the victory to win, the greater the temptation to withstand." - Roland Deschain, Gunslinger
pperkins
on 4/8/05 5:12 am - Gervias, OR
Topic: RE: FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHOW TIME!!!
Hokey-doke... B: 20oz Carb Countdown (1/2 choc, 1/2 FF) S: 2oz beefstick, handful of trailmix (fruit and nuts only) L: Burger patty with SF teriaki and 1 pineapple slice, 1/2 dozen thin french fries. S: 1 cup left over Miso soup. D: Chinese chicken soft taco on LC tortilla And just maybe a little low-carb butter-nut ice cream before bed! Blessings, -Perry 376/335/212/185 123 Pounds Gone! "There's just one rule with no exception. Before victory comes temptation. The greater the victory to win, the greater the temptation to withstand." - Roland Deschain, Gunslinger
ccourtney
on 4/8/05 4:40 am - BOCA RATON, FL
Topic: RE: FRIDAY FRIDAY FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHOW TIME!!!
I am a solid 14 also. I am hoping to be a 12 by the summer and then who knows after tt. My surgeon wants me to loose 30 more pounds before I even think about PS. I am always thinking about it........lol. Have fun this weekend! Christine
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