Another Half-Baked Theory!
I agree with you 100% Ken. You are on a different level from most of us. Your exercise program is that of an athlete! If you are getting 80 to 100 grams of protein through solid food and doing a workout program as strenuous as yours, protein supplements are a must! My beef is against using supplements in the place of proper meals. The word is SUPPLEMENT not SUBSTITUTE and that's what I hope to convince people to think about. You have a great plan and are having great success. It's also obvious that your weight-gain is a gain in muscle mass rather than fat. Keep up the good work and thanks for your input.
CHEERS
Mike
I don't know if I'm at a different level, I just have a different path. I want to bulk up some where most folks here are looking to get smaller. I just using this tool I have and using it to allow me to work out in a way I haven't been able to since the early 90's. Also, given my LE job, a little extra bulk can come in handy. It may mean being able to take out a bad guy or in some cases stopping them from getting physical just because they size you up and decide not to go for it. In anycase, I agree with your premise, and I actually found I did better by eating smaller meals more often then using shakes and bars as a sub for a major meal.
Keep at it Mike, this was a great topic. I appreciate your words of wisdom and support. I have to go, I'm chasing bad guys tonight! My ego is a bit bruised as we had a simunition last week, and I got shot in the hand. I did pop the "bad guy" twice in the chest, but it goes to show you what you can come up against. By the way, we were using special paint ball guns that are just like our service pistols. As close as you can come to live training without actully shooting somebody. Great training, and lets all hope and pray that I don't have to use it. I have no desire to shoot somebody.
I don't know if I'm at a different level, I just have a different path. I want to bulk up some where most folks here are looking to get smaller. I just using this tool I have and using it to allow me to work out in a way I haven't been able to since the early 90's. Also, given my LE job, a little extra bulk can come in handy. It may mean being able to take out a bad guy or in some cases stopping them from getting physical just because they size you up and decide not to go for it. In anycase, I agree with your premise, and I actually found I did better by eating smaller meals more often then using shakes and bars as a sub for a major meal.
Keep at it Mike, this was a great topic. I appreciate your words of wisdom and support. I have to go, I'm chasing bad guys tonight! My ego is a bit bruised as we had a simunition last week, and I got shot in the hand. I did pop the "bad guy" twice in the chest, but it goes to show you what you can come up against. By the way, we were using special paint ball guns that are just like our service pistols. As close as you can come to live training without actully shooting somebody. Great training, and lets all hope and pray that I don't have to use it. I have no desire to shoot somebody.
Thanks Ken, I'm glad that you feel my blathering has some usefullness. You may downplay what you've achieved, but I look to you as someone *****ally has done it right. You are a great example of how this surgery can help turn someone's life around! Like it or not partner, you are a source of inspiration!! As for your practice session..... while not 100% successful, at least the bad guy got the worst of it!! I likewise hope and pray that you never face the real thing. Take care and stay safe, my friend.
Mike
I'm half with you and half not.
In my opinion, protein shakes should NOT replace meals. At all. It is important to get as much protein from food sources as possible.
That said, I believe they have their place. I was kept on a very restrictive diet for 14 months. I could eat 2 ounces per meal, 3 times a day. There was no way to get enough protein in those small amounts to keep me on the good side, so I was told to supplement. Never to replace a meal, but enough to keep me going.
So, as a supplement, I'm fully for them. As a replacement or short cut? Absolutely not.
Eric C.
Wow Eric!
I just read your profile.....You've had quite a ride!!! I'm glad that you have joined in this thread. I don't deny that there is a place for these things....especially as part of a doctor's treatment plan. I'm no doctor and have no intention of speaking out against a doctor's orders. The last sentence in your reply is exactly where I'm coming from. I don't like the idea of using these supplements as substitutes or shortcuts.
I probably should have mentioned in my original post that the reason I have such a strong bias against protein shakes is my experience with Optifast. I had great initial success with the Optifast program losing over 100 lbs. Unfortunately, the Optifast shakes helped me starve the fat off while at the same time allowing me to avoid making my own food choices. As a result, as soon as I went back on solid food, I started making the same old bad food choices. The Optifast people made a half-hearted attempt at helping us re-introduce solid food, but it certainly wasn't an important focal point of their plan. Needless to say that I gained all of that weight back and then some!!
I hoped that this post would get people thinking about how they get their protein and stir up a discussion. I think that it has been a success, and I for one, have gotten some good out of it. I hope that others will too. Thanks for the reply and stay well!
Mike
Thanks for all the compliments, I really do appreciate them.
I'm around, though I've had my run-ins on other boards for some of my attitude that's gotten me to goal. I'm pretty dedicated to making sure this works, and that's gotten me accused of being harsh and unsupportive. I'm really not, though. ;)
While I may not post very often, I'm about. Heck, I spent half of March 2004 in the hospital, so I'm really a Marcher.
Take care,
Eric C.
Ok, Mike...I agree....to a certain degree. Reenie brought up a point a while ago and it sort of stuck with me. She said that foods that we considered healthy for so long are often times low in protein. For example---I love my oatmeal in the morning. I do not buy the processed stuff, nor the quick cooking stuff, nor the flavored stuff. I doctor it up with half a banana and some walnuts and cinnamon and a couple of packets of spenda. It's great, it's filling, it's healthy, and has very little protein. I drink a protein shake the first thing in the morning for a couple of reasons. First, to get the protein in (20 grams). Second, to get some liquid in my system, since I am not good with the drinking thing. I eat the oatmeal perhaps a half hour later. The protein shake DOES NOT fill me up. I agree with you totally that solid protein fills you up better and faster...HOWEVER...I don't think I can eat enough solid protein at one sitting to fulfill the requirement. Four or five bites of chicken or steak and I'm done. I'm full. But that isn't enough protein. Midway between breakfast and lunch, I will get hungry. Now I could eat an apple or something like that, but I almost consider it a waste of food for me because of the lack of protein. I have either a "Pure Protein" bar, a South Beach cereal bar, or a Power Crunch cookie. I eat them for the protein in them, but I also love the way they taste and they fill me up for quite a while....if I have one at say, 11:00, I'm not ready for lunch until maybe 1:00, then I'll have a half of sandwich or something like that....or a salad...again not a lot of protein. There is no way that I can get 80 or 100 grams of protein in with eating solid foods. So what's my choice?
Anyone else in this boat?
Mike--------thanks for the brain food!
Joanie
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