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PROTEIN BULLETS ARE OUR FRIENDS...

Post Date: 1/16/08 11:36 pm Ok, I have heard several opinions for and against "NEW WHEY PROTEIN BULLETS". Some have been saying that they are collagen protein which isn't bio-available or "useable" by our bodies. I did a little reasearch...they are PRE_DIGESTED collagenic protein which IS bio-available and rapidly digested. Whatta y'all think? I love the protein bullets. I mix one in a 32oz water bottle with some strawberry propel, it tastes like juice, and I just sip away on it. I can't handle most protein shakes. I would never get my protein in without them. PLEASE READ BELOW from Nutritionist, Dr. Bernd Friedlander worked with the 1984 Olympic Team, and professional athletes with the Los Angeles Rams, and the Oakland Raiders. He is well known for his intuitive chiropractic work as well as his nutritional formulas. He is a frequent speaker at the annual New Living EXPO in San Francisco. www.friedlandergroup.org The Uses of Hydrolyzed Collagen Overview Protein Hydrate is a Hydrolyzed Collagen that helps regulate the body's metabolic state by providing enzymatically digested collagen of a low molecular weight that is rapidly absorbed in the digestive tract. It provides important amino acids often missing in most diets. Normal food sources provide significant amounts of trytophan, cysteine, methionine, and histidine, however the Protein Hydrate formula has high amounts of glycine, lysine, and proline that are often found in low amounts or are even missing in other food sources or supplements. Protein Hydrate becomes important as a dietary supplement (along with a normal diet of other proteins) since age induced wear and tear of the connective tissues increases as we age. This Protein Hydrate contains high levels of the amino acid glycine, which helps the Liver detoxify stored chemicals. It has also been helpful in speeding recovery from injuries. This formula is an animal based Hydrolyzed Collagen protein powder from grass fed cows which contains biologically active peptides. This protein formula works best when taken on an empty stomach away from food, and then waiting 20-30 minutes before eating anything. It can be mixed with juice or warm tea, and it is absorbed fastest when it's not mixed with other fluids that contain proteins or amino acids. Hydrolyzed Collagen is exceptional because it has a molecular weight less than 1000, and this low weight results in extremely rapid absorption from the intestinal tract. The rapid speed of absorption and the distinctive spectrum of amino acids in this formula has a positive impact on a large number of metabolic pathways. It has been found that many people will experience immediate positive effects within 5-18 minutes of consumption when taken on an empty stomach. For example, tests have been done with a number of individuals using 2 tablespoons of the proprietary formula mixed in juice, and some of the effects noticed within 15 minutes of consumption include: improved mental alertness, mental clarity, concentration, and energy. Some people have experienced a short period of dizziness of 3-5 minutes because it causes a sudden release of brain neurotransmitters, however it is not dangerous and passes quickly. Long term effects : supports repair of musculoskeletal injuries, reduces inflammation, improves hydration of the connective tissues of the body, improves joint flexibility, improves signal induction, improves sleep, reduces pain, improves cellular calcium uptake, increases metabolic rate, and improves the quality of hair and nails. Many athletes and body builders take protein supplements regularly to support muscle repair and growth, however most protein supplements do not contain the raw materials needed by the body to repair corresponding connective tissue damage. Protein Hydrate Hydrolyzed Collagen taken as a food supplement provides the proper ratios of amino acids needed for collagen production. In addition, hydrolyzed collagen contains naturally occurring glucosamine and hyaluronic acid which supports connective tissue repair as well as providing hydrating and volumizing effects due to the natural ability of connective tissues to hold water. Roland Moskowitz, M.D., notes that partially hydrolyzed collagen has been used as a food for at least a millenium. Collagen hydrolysate products are considered GRAS i.e., Generally Regarded as Safe, by the Food and Drug Administration. Collagen hydrolysate is now being used in the treatment of osteoarthritis, and osteoporosis. The fact that it is considered to be a food with a high level of safety makes it useful for long term use. What is the function of Collagen and why do we need Hydrolyzed Collagen? Due to the limited food choices in our diets and the wear and tear that occurs with strenuous activity and aging, many people become depleted of the important amino acids needed to make Collagen. This can be a significant problem in individuals involved in strenuous physical activity such as athletes and construction workers. Collagen is the most abundant fibrous protein found in the body, but in a dietary supplement unprocessed collagen is not digestible. Protein Hydrate provides predigested collagen that contains both free amino acids as well as peptide fragments (smaller chains of amino acids) that are rapidly absorbed through the walls of the intestine into the blood stream. These components are used by the body to build structures and to regulate the functions of the cells. Up to 30% of all the protein in the body is collagen, and up to 70% of the proteins in the connective tissues are composed of collagen. In the body, collagen is made by specialized cells in the skin, ligaments, bones and cartilage. The protein Hydrate formula also provides additional amounts of the amino acids glycine and glutamine. Glucine supports detoxification and glutamine helps the cells increase their levels of the energy storage molecule creatine. How does it work? The body's natural ability to repair supporting connective tissue (bone, joints, cartilage, tendons, ligaments, skin, hair and nails), an maintain hydration of the cells diminishes after age 25. Hydrolyzed collagen provides the missing link in supplying additional amounts of amino acids like glycine, lysine, and proline which are specifically needed by the body to build connective tissue structures, and to regulate the functions of the cells. Therefore, free amino acids and small peptides in Protein Hydrate provide the advantages of easy digestion, rapid absorption, as well as metabolic regulatory effects. What are the benefits? In addition to providing certain missing nutritional links lacking in most dietary supplements, it provides the specific amino acid building blocks needed to build and repair collagen. For Athletes and Body Builders: it supports muscle growth, increases metabolism, and provides structural material and nutrients needed for the repair of injuries (cartilage, ligaments, tendons, bones and discs). Anti-Aging: it provides a positive nitrogen balance which is important in the nutritional support of age relayed degeneration like collagen loss and cartilage damage. It is an excellent food product for individuals with a sedentary lifestyle, as well as the very active. Inflammation: it provides nutritional support for individuals predisposed to repetitive joint injury, pain and joint discomfort. Arthritis, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis: it contains amino acids needed for bone and joint health. Skin tone: it provides critical nutrients, and helps support skin strength, texture, as well as thickness. Healthy skin retains moisture better, and is more elastic, and less prone to develop fine lines and wrinkles. Hair: it provides nutritional support for healthy hair. Nails: it provides nutritional building blocks for strong nails. Weight loss: many users have more energy which promotes a more active lifestyle, thereby promoting weight loss. Muscle tone and Strength are supported. Exposure to Toxic substances: the high glycine content of the formula assists the detoxification process of the liver. Tissue hydration is supported. In addition many users report feeling more alert with improved concentration, balanced mood, improved energy and an increased sense of well-being. Article Source: http://www.ApprovedArticles.com California Nutritionist, Dr. Bernd Friedlander worked with the 1984 Olympic Team, and professional athletes with the Los Angeles Rams, and the Oakland Raiders. He is well known for his intuitive chiropractic work as well as his nutritional formulas. He is a frequent speaker at the annual New Living EXPO in San Francisco. www.friedlandergroup.org — Tomi D. (posted on March 30, 2008)

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March 30, 2008
WHAT? Do you WORK for this guy? GEEEZE, This is like a COMMERCIAL for crying out loud!
— hubarlow

March 30, 2008
Personally I used the bullets at least 4 times a week. Love them. Thank you for the information!
— Kathy-R

March 30, 2008
I use them because I can't tolorate the shakes. My Dr. knows I use them. All I was told was that our bodies can only absorb 25 g of protein at one sitting. So, I put it in my water bottle and sip it all day. I add the lemonade mix (Country Time packets) and it is a very refreshing tasty treat. Recently I read that some people add them to sugar free jello and eat them that way with a little "free" Kool Whip. Haven't tried it but sounds good. C. Garber
— Caroline Garber

March 30, 2008
The poster is incorrect and/or misleading in a number of areas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. The problem with hydrolyzed collagen is not "bioavailability". The problem is protein quality. Hydrolyzed collagen gets a PDCAAS protein quality score of 0. Yes, zero. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Dr. F has a business selling collagen products. He is not an unbiased expert. I don't see where some of the articles posted support the value of the product. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. The Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences supports the use of PDCAAS as the way to evaluate protein quality. They are unpaid, and recognized nationally. They are from Harvard, Stanford, Brown, Yale, Penn, Hopkins....and on. Their work refutes you and Dr. F. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Much of what I am reading appears to be to be carefully worded statements that might be broadly true about any protein product regardless of its quality, but it is presented in a way that makes the benefit sound special or unique to collagen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The overall tone presenting collagen as a wonderful and superior supplement is bogus. And your body doesn't need collagen to make collagen. Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein
— UNJURY

March 30, 2008
There is nothing incorrect here Jerome. This was just one example from many out there to support the effectiveness of the protein bullets. I use these mainly as my protein supplement. I am 6mo post RNY and have lost over 135lb. So in my honest opionion if someone tolerates these over whey protein comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges. The work dude....get over it.
— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
You would like it to be a matter of two equally valid opinions. But it's medical science, and there IS an answer. Just as it is a fact that the earth rotates around the sun. It isn't opinion. You would like it to be apples and oranges. But it's not. The protein in whey, along beef, pork, poultry, eggs and dairy, is very high value. Collagen protein, hydrolyzed or not, is very low value. Do you disagree that the bullets have a very low PDCAAS score, about a 5 or 6 out of 100? Do you disagree with the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, which recommends the use of PDCAAS as the way to evaluate protein? Do you believe that PDCAAS is not important? Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein
— UNJURY

March 31, 2008
First of all Jerome. I understand medical science. I am an emergency room RN with years of research experience as well. 1- you work for Unjury 2- the PDCAAS is not based out of 100 it's top out is 1.0 3- The study you frequent reference that YOUR COMPANY paid for would never hold it's weight with research based on science and not on profit....get my drift? Why are you so rude and inflammatory? Why are you butt hurt about people who have a difficult time with other proteins using these? Why? Because you are paid to that's why!
— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
Hydrolyzed collagen, HCP, (also known as purified gelatin and collagen hydrolysate) is collagen that has been enzymatically or chemically processed to make it more digestible and more easily absorbed by the body. HCP is often used by body builders because it is a relatively inexpensive protein source. It is also used to treat skin disorders, treat or prevent malnutrition and for those who cannot tolerate large amounts of bulk food, such as patients of weight loss surgery. Collagen is the primary structural protein found in the connective tissues in the body (including the skin, bones, cartilage, tendons, and ligaments), and commercially it is derived from either fish (marine sources), beef (bovine sources), or pig (porcine sources). Hydrolyzed collagen consists of water-soluble peptides which are rich sources of the amino acids glycine, L-proline and L-hydroxyproline. Nutritional supplements containing hydrolyzed collagen are typically marketed for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, weight loss, and to assist in recovery from exercise and sports-related injuries, although scientific data in these areas is sparse. HCP has been used by European health practitioners for decades as an alternative treatment for arthritis and osteoporosis. German and Czech studies cite the use of 7-10 grams of HCP daily to decrease pain and stiffness associated with arthritis. The taking of the nutritional supplements Collagen Cydrolysate can prevent a cartilage degeneration and soothe arthrosis. About this effect has Dr. Steffen Oesser from the University Kiel reported during the orthopaedics convention in Berlin and explained it with studies. The amino acid composition of Collagen Hydrolysate is equivalent in the cartilage matrix. From the Collagen Hydrolysate there will fragment reabsorbs after the taking and enriched in the joint cartilage. The fragments stimulate dose depending the biosynthesis of type II collagen there, as Oesser reported during thea symposium. The researcher could cover to cartilage cell cultures that Collagen Hydrolysate increases the collagen production of cells admitted in comparison with untreated cells around two and a half times. From the intestine reabsorbing and into the cartilage fabric taken Collagen-fragments have apparently the same effect as natural collagen degradation products: They stimulate the new synthesis of collagen and counteract a wear on the cartilage matrix. Cultivated cartilage cells also produced more proteoglycans after the bonus of collagen hydrolysate, says the biochemist. Oesser:"Under influence of collagen hydrolysate the most important components of the extra cellular cartilage matrix are therefore established". This is important to the quality and durability of the cartilage. Taken Collagen hydrolysate therefore prevents presumably degenerative joint diseases, says Oesser. There are references to it also from clinical studies in which patients had taken part with pains and stiffness in the knee. From the majority of the patients the complaints were decreased considerably. And the capacity of the joint areas as well as the strength of the surrounding fabric increased under a therapy of several months with a 10 mg collagen hydrolysate daily, as Oesser reported. The nutritional supplement is well wholesome and can be taken by patients with high arthrosis risk, by approximately overweight or in sports for prevention also.
— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
Way too much info to read through - wow - you lost me after the 4th or 5th sentence. However, I can say is that I have tried just about every protein drink/powder out there and can't deal with any of them. I have literally spent over $1500 in the last 5 months on protein trying to find something tolerable. They're either disgusting or just too difficult to "put together" on a daily basis. I've tried all the "tricks" from bariatriceating.com, tried all flavors of unjury, mixed and matched many others, and the only things I "like" (a very loose word) are the AchieveOne coffee drinks and the new whey protein bullets. I drink one of the AchieveOne drinks in the morning (20 g protein) - only one per day due to them having caffeine in them - and then I sip on Crystal Lite throughout the day that I've added a protein bullet to (42 g protein). It blends in with the crystal lite and is "almost" not noticable. I use the orange and blue razzzberry flavors. I get my protein in - my labs are perfect - and I'm doing great. If it works for you - and it is protein - then with all the nasty stuff out there to choose from you've gotta go with what works. And I'm seriously out of money.........LOL.
— itzmetami

March 31, 2008

— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
I asked you straightforward questions--about the PDCAAS scores for the bullet products, and the Institute of Medicine position. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You didn't answer those questions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We sent the "bullet" products to a leading independent lab, Covance. They are used by the FDA, and other large companies. We then calculated the results, but the math is straightforward. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I will repeat the same key questions: Do you disagree that the bullets have a very low PDCAAS score, about a 5 or 6 out of 100? Do you disagree with the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of Sciences, which recommends the use of PDCAAS as the way to evaluate protein? Do you believe that PDCAAS is not important? Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein
— UNJURY

March 31, 2008
One reference on PDCAAS for protein score at the Institute of Medicine is at ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10490&page=589 Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein
— UNJURY

March 31, 2008
Jerome I do believe that PDCAAS is one method of scoring. I didn't dispute that. Do I beleive it is the only method for ecaluating protein? No. PDCAAS are based on 2-5yo humans and are a measure of essential Amino Acids. This rating does not apply to fortified products which includes whey products and the protein bullets though some use it incorrectly to speak about them. PDCAAS does not include fortified products. PDCAAS is only one method. I was also pointing out your incorrect use of the method. There are several other methods such as: BV-Biological value, PER- Protein Efficiency Value, NPU-Net Protein utilization....etc. ----------JEROME-----------Get over it. You are not the almighty authority on Protein and what works. Are you even a weightloss surgery patient? Your profile suggests you are an Unjury employee. How much do they pay you to sit here and pick apart what really works for others? GET A LIFE AND A REAL JOB...
— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
Enzymatically HYDROLYZED COLLAGENIC PROTEIN isolate is not the only source of protein in IDS New Whey Protein bullets, they are also comprised of whey protein isolate, casein protein isolate, and fortified with the primary essential acids: tyrosine, leucine, lysine, isoleucine, tryptophan, threonine, methionine, and valine. THEY ARE A COMPLETE PROTEIN SOURCE. CHECK YOUR "so called FACTS" Jerome.
— Tomi D.

March 31, 2008
Regarding the facts: PDCAAS *does* apply to all protein supplements. And it is THE most authoritative way of evaluating proteins. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The "bullet" products you are referencing have, at most, 5 or 6 % whey protein. They are about 94 to 95% collagen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The manufacturers have not disputed that to my knowledge. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- We post here when we see what we consider signficationly incorrect information. We get nice comments from some OH members who appreciate that. Jerome UNJURY (R) Protein
— UNJURY

March 31, 2008
The fact is Jerome I sent you the lab report provided byt the manufacturer of New Whey (whom I don't work for unlike you) that DOES DISPUTE your claims. Maybe I will email them a copy of this post, maybe their legal department may have a dispute with another protein company using it's employees to defame their product on a site frequented by perhaps the majority of it's customer base...hmmm what do you think?? You are stuck on this "incorrect" information bit when I have given you a plethera of proof otherwise. I have never said this was THE SUPERIOR PROTEIN source. What I do say is for those who have difficulty with Whey Proteins and other protein shakes this is a viable alternative. It does NOT have zero value as you claim. You are stuck on the testing methods, of which I recogized, offered others and pointed out some of the faults in the one you prefer. THAT IS WHY THERE HAS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE MORE THAN ONE TEST AVAILABLE. THAT Jerome is called science. Your test IS NOT APPROPRIATE for fortified foods. Look it up...it's crystal clear in the methodology. Most people do appreciate information. That is why I posted as well. This is an appropriate format for people to disagree, debate, provide evidence, and for others to make an educated decision. We've both obviously had our say, I appreciate the debate, and agree to disagree with you. I live the walk, not just talk it. I also don't work for the manufacturer and my job is not dependent on the manufacturer's bias. Good day ;o)
— Tomi D.

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