How Do Biggies React To Your "Great Pumpkin" Story?

sjbob
on 1/4/08 2:22 am - Willingboro, NJ
Since I was super morbidly obese when I had my RNY and proceeded to lose 200 lbs due to it, I thought telling other people who were also super morbidly obese to try WLS was a good idea.  I soon found that some didn't want to be bothered.  Others were ambarrassed that I approached them to openly talk about it.  And, still others had sought the surgery and been denied by their ins. I soon learned that I was better off not talking about the WLS to strangers who were super morbidly obese.  However, I am eager to provide support to anyone who approaches me about the WLS.  This happens fairly often from referrals from friends and relatives who know I had WLS. As for spending your own cash for the surgery, that's a very personal decision.  I know that I wouldn't have had the surgery if I had to pay for it myself.  Heck, I had my teeth pulled rather than pay for root canals (my dentist couldn't assure me that the teeth would last long even if I had the root canals).  I feel I simply can't afford it.  When I was working, my wife had 4 root canals and it took us forever to pay that off.  Also, someone who pays on their own has to have the reserve money in case of any complications from the surgery.  If your ins doesn't cover the surgery, they generally won't cover treatment or hospitalization for any complications from the surgery.  I had some minor problems shortly post-op, but those costs could quickly add up.
jpcolter
on 1/4/08 3:13 am - San Francisco, CA
This is an interesting one for me.  I've not told anyone except my boss that I had the surgery.  I get comments all the time about how good I am looking, etc...  I don't recall anyone asking me directly how I lost the  weight or if I had surgery though.  I would probably tell anyone that asked directly but I am a little averse to talking openly about it or advertising that I've had it.  I think there is still a small part of me that feels like I somehow "cheated" by getting surgery.  Do any of you other guys feel that way sometimes? JP
carbonblob
on 1/4/08 4:06 am - los angeles, CA
well yeah JP,

there's no getting around it, you can call it an alternative or cheating or whatever misconception you like but we didn't do by dieting and that's the excepted way of losing weight. i used to beat myself up over that until i learned about leptin and the real biological issues of having certain deficiencies in our make up. that is, we don't get the full feeling. add to that the fact that when you diet your body does everything it can to get the weight back and then some.

i really needed something, anything, that would help me shovel less food in AND not be so hungry. so it's a cheat but one i had to take. if i didn't cheat then i would be sitting here over 300 pounds lamenting i'll never lose weight. thank god i have insurance and got it done. my bro can lose weight and keep it off. i can't. this is the only that worked and i short cut the process but it wasn't easy or a free ticket. i also found i'm right back where i started. i have to watch what i eat and i have to maintain just like everyone else who never had the surgery. it's just a little easier now is all. so i don't feel like it's a total cheat. you'll notice a lot of guys still go to weigh****cher type meetings and have to diet after the surgery. so i think the surgery got me part way there. the rest is up to me to keep it off. that's no free ride.....carbonblob
Doug S.
on 1/4/08 4:21 am - Pelican Rapids, MN
About 15 min. ago I had a former student of mine stop in to say Hi and ask if I could make something for him (I'm an automated mfg. instructor). The last time he saw me was about 2 years ago. He commented on how different I look. I thanked him of course and then (only) because this guy is MO I volunteered that I had had the "surgery". That's all I said, and he said, "Well it sure worked". That was the end of the discussion. I figure if he wants to know more he'll ask. But I feel good about doing what I did because I remember back in my pre WLS days.  I would see someone who had lost a lot of weight and feel so much more like failure because they could do it and I could not. Then I would go home and eat and drink some more. I guess what I'm trying to say is that when the subject comes up and the person I'm visiting with is clearly a candidate for WLS I work it into the conversation that I lost the weight because of the surgery. As a teacher I try to subscribe to the notion of, "Above all else, do no harm".
Dx E
on 1/4/08 4:53 am - Northern, MS

Paul, I understand the attraction of sharing what has been for me, a Life-Saving Procedure, With others who could clearly benefit. Sort of like wanting to share one’s new-found Spiritual Salvation. I see some who keep the fact that they had WLS a total secret, and can’t quite understand. I’m very open with everyone that I had WLS. No "secret" here. However, at the same time, I refrain from ever, ever, recommending surgery to those who look like they need it. If asked how it worked for me? I’m a non-stop fount of anecdotes and info. But "what worked for me," isn’t something I’ll offer unless asked. I think if back when I was at my full size, if someone had offered- "Hey, WLS could really help you out." I’d have been pissed, and turned them off. When I was at my full size, what got me really looking into WLS Was seeing dramatic results and doing the research myself. I speak at a number of WLS support groups and seminars But typically as an example of the possibility of Extreme Complications. My surgeon has me speak to his groups because I am his one and only Complication case And he wants folks to be aware that it is very risky even when the odds are in your favor. I tell "How it went for me" and although it was a scary-story, It did have a happy ending. I share my experience with folks on WLS Message Boards and WLS Seminars Because by being there, they are clearly Asking for such info/experience. But just someone I work with, attend church with, etc? I keep my thoughts to myself. Those that have seen me drop to less than half my former weight Have asked. Others have not. I read these Boards as a lurker for 10 months prior to my surgery And didn’t post a single thing until I was about 11 months post-op. Even then I fear that sharing my experience may have turned some away from what might have been a life-saving surgery for them. But the idea of Persuading someone to walk into what I went through, Prevents me from "Advising" anyone to ‘Git-‘er-done. I hurt for people who are still carrying their extra weight, And empathize completely with them. But unless they as****ep it to myself. And if asked, I try to make sure I share my experience as- "This is What I Did." Rather than – "This is what You Should Do." Yes? Just MY Thoughts. Best Wishes- Dx

 Capricious;  Impulsive,  Semi-Predictable       

Tim A.
on 1/4/08 5:59 am, edited 1/4/08 6:00 am

Paul, I agree with Dx's comments. I speak at/for Duke's WLS at seminars and support groups. In April I am going to speak with my WLS shrink to a bunch of young psychology students (jr. shrinks) about my WLS history and the mental aspects of the process. Back in October07 they took pictures and a video about my WLS success. I always talk about where I started at 460lbs, high blood pressure, sleep apnea, bad back, bad knees, acid reflux, etc... Then I tell them about what I have done and what has worked for me in losing 241lbs over 16 months. I also talk about how great my life is now that I really have a life worth living again. I talk about the WLS process and what I eat now and the way I am to exercise and really enjoy anything I want to do again. I think it works best when you "paint the picture" in their mind of the before and after results and let them start envisioning what their life would be like afterwards.  I work in a company with about 650 people and there are 3 or 4 guys that are in the 350-400+lbs range and they have seen my success and most have talked to me one-on-one about WLS. Not one of my MO co-workers has done anything to help themselves and our insurance will pay for the whole thing and we have one of the leading WLS centers (Duke) in the world right up the street. But as Dx said most guys will not do something to help themselves till they are almost on their death bed.  I also get asked by folks in stores and such because I have never changed my driver license picture. Since I renewed it right before I had surgery I hate to have to change it. I don't mind the 10 bucks but who wants to go waste an afternoon at the DMV if you don't have to. When I use my credit card they normally ask to see my ID so when I show them the picture it almost always get a reaction. Some folks want to talk about WLS and other just say how good I look now. I answer their questions and encourage them to look into the program at Duke for themselves, the other I say thanks a lot and hit the road.  It took me 5 years to decide that I could not do this on my own and after losing from 423lbs down to 305lbs back in 2000. I really thought I was winning but when I hit 460lbs just 5 years later I realized I was just kidding myself and it was going to kill me if I did not do something sooner than later. That the problem with becoming morbidly obese, if the change from BMI 25% to 58% was overnight you would freak out about all the mobility you lost and all the things you can't do anymore along with how lousy you feel all the time. But since obesity happens over a long time it SLOWLY robs you of your life, just a little each day, then we adjust or justify the change to ourselves and we keep on eating. I bet I told myself a zillion times, “I’ll do something about it tomorrow” but it never happened till I faced the facts and really got serious about the rest of my life...

sjbob
on 1/4/08 8:53 am - Willingboro, NJ
Tim, here in NJ we don't have much choice on the driver's license.  They want a new picture on the damn thing every 2-3 years and you have to bring in several proofs of who you are.  You need a birht certificate with a raised seal-they won't take a hospital record even if it has the seal.  You also need your old license ( which seems stupid to me) and proof of residence such as a bill from a power company, credit card company, bank, or phone company.  So, you have to plan weeks if not months in advance on getting all of the proof and you have to go down to the DMV in person.  The thing that really stinks is that you have to go through this every time you renew your license.
AttyDallas
on 1/6/08 10:00 am - Garland, TX

  Thanks for the replies and comments everyone ..  a very interesting mix (as someone noted)!    I also posted this on the general forum (and Texas forum) and it seems many of the ladies were not as "gracious" in their responses  --  some were outright flamings, telling me to "mind my own biz" in a not so nice way and even that one would hate to be my law client.  Oh well ..   didn't realize I was playing with fire on this one ..   I'll be doing kind of a follow-up post with a silghtly different question  --  one raised by some of the responses here ..  It will also be interesting to see the responses to that one ..   &;-)

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(deactivated member)
on 1/7/08 12:46 am - Waterdown, Canada

Like many others here, I too get asked in GREAT DEPTH about my WLS, usually by folks who're like 150 lbs overweight.....and who I know could really benefit from same. At a restaurant when I see a guy who's like 450 lbs sitting on TWO bar stools, I always look at my wife and she just shakes her head....there's no way to 'broach' this topic to a stranger I've learned...and had my head bitten off a couple of times to prove that. So neither folks who KNOW or folks who don't know can I help... Those that do ask....like 2 out of say a thousand?

At first, I'd always push to get them the right links to surgeons, OHIP fax/phone numbers, info on how to fill out our forms, etc etc......all for naught. Not one of them ever went any furhter than "wishin and hopin..."

So now? I just tell my story and let them nod....and then tell me how next week they're gonna go back to the gym/start walking/join the Y...etc .etc.  Not a hope in hell, I know, that any of them will ever go ahead...

Which makes my own success at WLS so much more of a personal thing....I love what I did....and for the rest, there's nothing I can say....

Jim

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