Duodenal Switch?

heathera36
on 7/3/07 6:26 am - Syracuse, NY
Does anyone know if they do the Duodenal Switch procedure at Upstate Bariatric Center in Syracuse?  I mentioned on the main board yesterday that I just discovered I have diabetes and a few people mentioned the DS and suggested I look into it.  So thought I'd ask about it.

Current: 175
Highest: 316
Surgery: 293 (November 5, 2007)
Doc's Goal: 170
Height: 5'5", Age: 50

cheri24iv
on 7/3/07 6:40 am - Hamilton, NY
Hiya Heather, I'd give Marcie or Deb a call on Thursday.  They would know for sure.  Sorry to hear about the diabetes!!!
Cheri, The Happy Bandster



Sean_B
on 7/3/07 3:05 pm - Schenectady, NY
for DS in NY (or close in PA), your choices are: Dr William O'Malley (and possibly his associates) out of Rochester (Strong Health/Highland Hosp) Dr Hill (and possibly Dr Hixson) in Saranac Lake - Adirondack Medical Center Dr Peters near Scranton PA... and a number of practices in NYC (I chose NYC for the mutitude of options... I go into further detail in my profile/blog if you're interested). I live in Schenectady, and when I was searching for a DS doc, I just googled and called an ever-increasing radius from home... that's what I came up with. If you have procedure specific questions, or want more info on these surgeons, come on over to the DS board, as there are a number of post-ops from most of the surgeons I mentioned above.

Pre: 324 Now: 185-190 http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v362/171/99/1251208761/n1251208761_30154298_7588.jpg

Karen3
on 7/3/07 3:46 pm - Long Island, NY
Please excuse my ignorance, but it is documented that DS has a better rate of curing/controlling diabetes than RNY? I'm not trying to debate the merits of each surgery, I definately do not get into that, but I do know that there are doctors who perform RNY on diabetes patients who are not necessarily obese because it has has such a dramatic effect on Diabetes.

As with any WLS procedure, I believe the key is research, research, research & finding a surgeon you're comfortable with.

Best of luck,
 Karen  
232/210/132
Highest wt. (pre-band)/at revision to RNY/current
(deactivated member)
on 7/4/07 12:15 am
Yes, read, research, ask questions before you make a decision. No matter which WLS is used, if you  lose a significant amount of weight  you'll have fewer   problems associated with obesity:  type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and  sleep apnea. But, when  you add up a number of studies of WLS, duodenal switch procedure has the highest cure rate for diabetes (Buchwald, Journal of the American Medical Association 2005). It's being used in Europe to treat diabetes without obesity. They don't do the stomach part, just the intestinal part. One review of a number of studies found that diabetes control was 98.9% for biliopancreatic diversion or duodenal switch and 83.7% for gastric bypass  (Survey of Anesthesiology, 2006) My diabetes was reversed by DS, but many people are helped by RNY. It's just that the odds are a little better with DS. My endocrinologist said that my diabetes could come back if I regained a significant amount of weight, so you should also study the long-term rates of regain with the two procedures. Many people with RNY keep their weight off, but the rates of regain are  lower with DS. Statistics are just statistics though. Some people have great experiences with RNY, and I've had a great experience with DS. 30 months out, holding at 132 pounds, no diabetes or hypertension.  
Sean_B
on 7/5/07 6:28 am - Schenectady, NY
Just to add a couple things to what Nancy has already stated... with Type-II Diabetes, ANY weight loss will help keep it n control, and even reverse it at least to a point (depending on the amount of weight loss, and how severe the Diabetes was to start with)... so even RNY and Banding will help with Diabetes.... but those are usually because of the weight loss. I don't know the exact mechanics of it, but I understand that with the DS, Diabetes resolution is usually independant or weight loss. In other words, people who have the DS often see improvement even before they have any noticeable weight loss. while Diabetes can he helped with ANY weight loss, it's important to realize that if the reversal is dependent on weight loss, then any regain of weight will risk the return of Diabetes... so for Diabetics, it's even more important to weight your surgical options, and be more dilligent in your post-op routine of eating, exercise, and supplements regardless of which procedure you choose.

Pre: 324 Now: 185-190 http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v362/171/99/1251208761/n1251208761_30154298_7588.jpg

jamiecatlady5
on 7/5/07 10:00 pm - UPSTATE, NY

Actually the RNY & DS both due to gut hormonal changes provide normal glucose as soon as day 10 postop w/ RNY  and 1 month with BPD prior to much wl ('Obesity Surgery' by Louis F. Martin, 2004 ISBN 0-07-140640-9) page 56.So both are independent to any wt loss, although wl can produce normal BS.....Gastric bypass not only can resolve DM type 2 in 91% pts it also prevents subsequent dedvelopment if DM. I didn't see info on DS, not that there isnt in it preventing development the sources I have didn't mention it is all. Here are a few articles I saved. Basically a number of changes in gut hormone levels occur that may help explain the appetite reduction, weight loss, and improved glycemic control seen with these procedures (RNY/DS) albeit in differnt proportions and ways perhaps, new research suggests Motilin, Pancretic Polypeptide, Gastric inhibitory polypeptied abd ghrelin are decreased by thes operations and enteroglucagon-glp-1 is increased as is choleycystokinin, neurotensin, apolipoprotein a-iv and peptide yy, enterostatin.... Then there is leptin, adinopectin, acetylation-stimulating protein, resistin, oleoyl-esterone etc that change the hormonal balance etc. very interesting and complex!!!! Type of Weight Loss Surgery Determines Insulin Resistance Effect

 

NEW YORK Jan 12, 2005 - With restrictive weight loss procedures, insulin resistance drops as weight loss increases, whereas with malabsorptive operations, resistance is completely reversed even before body weight normalizes, new research shows.The findings, which appear in The American Journal of Medicine for January, are based on a study of 18 nondiabetic patients with severe obesity and 20 lean controls who underwent various metabolic evaluations, including insulin sensitivity testing.The patients were treated with either gastric bypass, a restrictive type operation, or with biliopancreatic diversion, a malabsorptive procedure, and were reevaluated 5 to 6 months and 16 to 24 months postoperatively. The bypass operation involved vertical banded gastroplasty with standard Roux-en-Y reconstruction.Compared controls, the obese patients were hyperinsulinemic, hypertriglyceridemic, and were profoundly insulin resistant at baseline, senior author Dr. Ele Ferrannini, from the University of Pisa in Italy, and colleagues note.With each procedure, weight loss averaged 53 kg and occurred over roughly the same time course. However, as noted, the operations differed in their effects on insulin resistance.During follow-up, a steady improvement in insulin sensitivity was seen in the gastric bypass group, but even at 16 months, values were still significantly low compared with those seen in controls.In the biliopancreatic diversion group, by contrast, insulin sensitivity normalized by 6 months and actually exceeded that of controls at 24-month follow-up, even though the subjects were still obese.While the results suggest that biliopancreatic diversion restores insulin sensitivity more rapidly than gastric bypass, the authors note that "the choice of the optimal therapeutic strategy in these patients depends on a risk/benefit algorithm to be assessed in each patient." Am J Med 2005;118:51-57.   http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/497378_print ___________________________________  http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/555171  Gastric Bypass Surgery Explored as Cure for Type 2 Diabetes Karla Harby   April 13, 2007 (Seattle) - A bariatric surgery procedure used for treating severe obesity is now being explored as a cure for type 2 diabetes mellitus in normal-weight and moderately overweight patients with diabetes. Specific recommendations for using surgery in these patients are expected to appear this summer, according to a presentation here at the annual meeting and clinical congress of the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists.  When used as a last resort for weight management, certain gastric bypass procedures have been known to completely reverse, or at least mitigate, type 2 diabetes. Until recently, researchers had assumed that weight loss alone was somehow responsible for this benefit. However, new research in rodents and very preliminary work in humans suggest that hormonal and metabolic changes caused by the surgery must be responsible, not simple weight loss, said Karen Foster-Schubert, MD, acting instructor at the University of Washington in Seattle.  "We really don't know what is being affected yet," Dr. Foster-Schubert told Medscape about the mechanism of diabetes reversal. Research in the laboratory of her colleague, David E. *******s, MD, of the University of Washington, shows that ghrelin, a recently discovered peptide that stimulates appetite, is decreased after gastric bypass surgery. Other peptides, including the distal small intestine hormone peptide YY (PYY), and glucagon-like peptide 1 (GLP-1), secreted by intestinal L cells, increase after the operation, she said.  Dr. Foster-Schubert reported on bypass operations performed on 2 mildly overweight patients under the care of Francesco Rubin, MD, of the Institut de Recherche contre les Cancers de l'Appareil Digestif (IRCAD) in Strasbourg, France, and the Catholic University of Rome, Italy, and discussed at the International Conference on Gastrointestinal Surgery to Treat Type 2 Diabetes (the "Diabetes Surgery Summit") held in Rome, March 29-31, 2007. The data showed that duodenal bypass dramatically lowered fasting glucose, fasting insulin, and hemoglobin A1c levels in these 2 patients within 1 month after surgery. Yet the body mass indexes (BMIs) of these patients have remained stable during 9 months of observation. One patient has had a stable BMI of approximately 27 kg/m2, while the other patient's BMI has ranged from 29 to 30 kg/m2. (A normal-weight BMI is defined as 18.5 to 24.9 kg/m2; overweight is 25 to 29.9 kg/m2; and obesity starts at 30 kg/m2, with "super super obesity" starting at 60 kg/m2.)       The surgical technique discussed by Dr. Foster-Schubert, Roux-en-Y gastric bypass (RYGB), is one of several procedures indicated for weight reduction. A recent meta-analysis of 22,094 patients showed that 84% experienced complete reversal of type 2 diabetes mellitus, with most stopping their oral medications or insulin injections before leaving the hospital, Dr. Foster-Schubert said. The ethics of using RYGB to treat a disease that can be managed medically might be controversial, Dr. Foster-Schubert allowed. Those who participated in the Diabetes Surgery Summit have announced that they will publish recommendations for treatment by this summer, she added.  Guidelines from the National Institutes of Health have set a BMI of 40 kg/m2 or greater as the threshold for bariatric surgery, according to Jeffrey I. Mechanick, MD, associate clinical professor of medicine at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City. The surgery can cause a variety of complications, including electrolyte abnormalities, nutrient deficiencies, kidney stones, and osteoporosis, he said. "There is an interest among bariatric surgeons in doing [surgery for diabetes]," said Dr. Mechanick during an informal discussion with reporters. "This is going to become an issue between the endocrinologists and the surgeons." He added, "There's an economic incentive. With more and more drugs, there will be less need for bariatric surgery and a greater need for metabolic surgery and diabetes surgery."   Drs. Foster-Schubert and Mechanick both expect many patients with type 2 diabetes to want this surgery, despite its inherent risks, including the risk of death. "It's a lot of heartache and headache" to have diabetes, Dr. Foster-Schubert told Medscape. "I expect a pretty large percentage of individuals would be interested, at least in exploring the risks and benefits."  AACE 16th Annual Meeting and Clinical Congress: General Session. Presented April 12, 2007. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find what surgry is best for you as an individual, its about risks/benefits, yes DS has 50% greater wl than proximal RNY a factor to consider among many!!!

Take Care,
Jamie Ellis RN MS NPP

100cm proximal Lap RNY 10/9/02 Dr. Singh Albany, NY
320(preop)/163(lowest)/185(current)  5'9'' (lost 45# before surgery)
Plastics 6/9/04 & 11/11/2005  Dr. King
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Karen3
on 7/4/07 1:08 am - Long Island, NY
Nancy, great weight loss. I hope my hypertension goes away. I weighed 132 on my wedding day; never seen it since!
 Karen  
232/210/132
Highest wt. (pre-band)/at revision to RNY/current
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