Protein Shakes or Not?

Christine912
on 6/1/07 6:07 am - KEW GARDENS, NY
My doctor isn't too crazy about the protein shakes after surgery........believes that you shouldn't have to go out and get things that you don't have in the house. Ive  spoken to others and they are saying that you need the protein shakes.  Do you need to drink the protein shakes or not and if so..............where do you get them?
cheri24iv
on 6/1/07 8:01 am - Hamilton, NY
Hi Christine.  I have NEVER heard of such a thing!  The easiest protein shakes to find are at Walmart near the pharmacy and "diet" stuff.  EAS and Atkins make some good ones.  EAS actually has a good one with 20 grams of protein.  I loveeeee the Sugar Free Carnation Instant Breakfasts.  They're considerably lower in protein grams, even with 1% milk, but taste so good!

I bought the 42 gram Bullet at the Vitamin Shoppe..  I had fruit punch...IT SUCKED!  (sorry)  I wasn't very fond of the soy based protein drinks either.  Again, personal preference.

Protein certainly helps your body in many ways, but the most important after surgery is helping your body to heal!
Cheri, The Happy Bandster



Chelle5774
on 6/1/07 11:39 am - Apalachin, NY
That is odd?  I am not sure what to think about that?  I think the LOW CARB drinks are okay...I love my stallone puddings, they are so good.
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on 6/1/07 11:46 am - Cincinnati, OH
You're doctor is crazy if he doesn't think you need protein shakes. You should be on a 10-14 days protein shake diet giving your pouch the opprtunity to heal. DO NOT start on foods immediately because you will only hurt yourself and be in pain.  Go to www.vitalady.com and order some sample packets to try them out before you buy big jugs of mixes and findout you don't like them. She sells champion protein powder mix and it takes great. Just like a think milk shake. Let me know how you make out. Marie
jamiecatlady5
on 6/2/07 1:17 am - UPSTATE, NY
Christine912: Hello! You will undoubtably receive conflicting information on all postop care as there is no standard of care, each bariatric program has different guidelines. The protein shake is one area that is very controversial so making an educated and informed decision for yourself is the best you can do IMHO. Many postop RNYers do shakes at least early on when they are eaither on liquids for 2 wk or can not tolerate food or get onough protein to heal, I find many less do them longterm as they feel they get their protein from food, some do and some cannot so watching labs help!! Now if u will be a true typcial proximal bypass (75-150cm bypass, find out what your surgeon does and get a copy of your surgery report for future info as well u never know when or if u will need it!!!) you are not at high a risk than if a distal bypass for protein....again our bodies will differ in response to absoprtion postop and tolerance. I still do shakes 1-2 day at 5 yrs out, the work for me and I frankly love them.. but that is me and based on my choices....No my surgeon doesnt like the idea but then again his specialty is not nutrition, my clinical nutrition doc doesnt promote them but she knows I use them esp. in am when eating is not what I feel like or have time for at 4-5am before I run to the gym! What is wrong with 120 cal of protein w a few straberries vs eating a yogurt w/ berries?...... Now to rate on scale 1-5 star here is what I have posted before and yes u will see I do not support CIB...surely tastes good esp w/ milk due to all the carbs...NSA does not mean sugar free.

I give milk the ~ 2 stars, it is ~90 cal for a cup of skim, 13g carbs/sugar *yes I kbow natural but my body has yet to differ natural and processed in way it reacts/craves more!*, 8 g protein, 0g fat...(although I feel whey protein is better for wlser’s post-op, higher bioavailablity). Milk is a highly nutritious beverage however, it only contains about 1% of whey protein. In order to get all the benefits of whey protein, you need to take a concentrated whey protein powder like whey protein isolate. Sometimes post-op people become lactose intolerant and can not do milk!

 

 

 

Soy is also a good protein, (I'd give it 3 stars!) less bioavailable than whey but a close 2nd in my opinion. Whey protein does not contain isoflavones or any other components with potential hormonal effects like soy does. I use soy slender soymilk in my decaf teas, they have plain, vanilla, chocolate, and cappuccino all have only 60-70 cal/cup & only 0-1 g carbs (vs. regular soy having 10-14g cup!)  http://www.westsoy.biz/products/slender.php I get mine at super Wal-mart, Hannaford or Price Chopper $1.68-$2.19 depending on location!

 

 

 

My opinion on NSA CIB (yes I nickname it crap-in-a-box) is less than 1 star for a protein supplement: (it is not that at all!) You are better off with skim milk * has double the protein!*! 90 cal/8g protein! http://www.carnationinstantbreakfast.com/Products/PowderDrinkmix.aspx#

 

1 packet if mixed with water! Is 70 cal, ONLY 4 g protein, 12 g carbs (7g are sugar). If mixed with milk, you get 12g protein for 160 cal, 25 g carbs (19g sugar)…. Remember they ask us to keep sugar in single digits a serving! Or not in top 5 ingredients of a package! CIB may help give you some sugar cravings, yes even the NO SUGAR ADDED Variety, and not a good source of protein…To me a waste of calories! (*my opinion, we all have to do what works for us!)

 

 

 

Now, my opinion on a 5 star protein supplement (if that is what your looking for) is any one of the following.....(Whey protein’s)

 

 

 

Here are all the sites *I* know of for ordering samples of protein.

 

 

 

www.vitalady.com (a 10 yr+ postop who runs this business w/ her hubby who is also 10+ yrs out!) www.wlssupplies.com www.bethsproteinboutique.com (she is a wlser in NY, where you can get my fav PVL whey gourmet) she is having a going out of business sale has some cheap samples left so look!!! www.bariatriceating.com *run by a wlser Susan Maria, she has written a book before & after WLS... www.enjoyhealth.com

 

I will say tastes CHANGE for many after WLS so if you find some now you like you MAY not like them postop....BUT I agree samples are the way to go! (*saves you money from buying a tub of something you can't/don't like to drink!) ''I'' don't think GNC has much that is tasty though....So ordering online seems to be best (for me)! Powdered pre-digested whey concentrate, or isolate or a blend of the 2 proteins are the kind/s that gastric by passers can BEST absorb! and are highly bioavailable. And so much better tasting IMHO and cheaper (70 servings in a 5# tub champion Pure Whey stack for $25.99 + 4.95 S&H = 44 cents a serving!!! (canned can be $1 ea or more!) good in a pinch though…Walmart has body fortress protein many like and is inexpensive although I can notvouch at all have not tried only reports online and in my support group.

http://www.vitalady.com/why_protein.htm read this about postop protein!

 

So what is Biological Value:

 

Method of rating protein. Biological Value (BV) represents a specific protein's nitrogen retention qualities in humans. BV indicates the amount of nitrogen (body protein in grams) replaceable by 100 grams of protein in the adult diet. The higher the quality of a protein, the higher the BV.

 

 

 

Protein   BV

 

 

 

Whey    100

 

Egg        97

 

Milk        88

 

Soy        71

 

Casein   70

 

Whey protein is a high quality protein powder from cow's milk. Milk has two proteins: Casein (approximately 80%) and Whey Protein (approximately 20%). Whey protein is more soluble than casein and also has a higher quality rating. It is often referred to as the "Gold Standard" of protein as it is the most nutritious protein available. Whey protein isolate is the most pure and concentrated form of whey protein available. It contains 90% or more protein and very little (if any) fat and lactose. Whey protein concentrate has anywhere between 29% and 89% protein depending upon the product. As the protein level in whey protein concentrate decreases the amounts of fat and/or lactose usually increase. Another way that whey protein helps manage weight is by promoting satiety, or a feeling of fullness. One recent study showed that whey protein was superior to casein, the other protein in cow's milk, in promoting satiety.

People recommend making them with WATER only (not milk, which adds 90-100 calories/12 g carbs and 8g protein *not the kind we can utilize well and drinking to many calories=defeat the tool) , drink within 30 min also!   You can buy a magic bullet blender to make w/ ice, sugar free syrups, Davinci now has 51 Sugar Free flavors! http://www.davincigourmet.com can order from or www.netrition.com (local in Albany NY S&H is $4.95 no matter how little/much you order! there 5# tubs of Champion PW stack is $25.99, tjmaxx has them sometimes also! Artisan roasters and torani’s are other makers! http://www.artisancoffeeroasters.com/syrups/index.html

 

http://www.torani.com/create/fpsugarfree.shtml http://www24.netrition.com/champion_whey_stack_page.html also if you find you like the chocolate, banana or strawberry (*I do not know of anyone who likes their vanilla!)

 

http://www24.netrition.com/syntrax_nectar_page.html netrition has nectars for $26.95 extracts, spices, 1 tsp powdered sf/ff pudding powder or 1 tsp sf jello powder etc... www.walgreens.com has MB’s for $59 free S&H or www.buythebullet.com has BOGO free, I think Target and other stores have them too!

 

 

 

***#1***

 

I like PVL whey gourmet flavors the best, White chocolate, vanilla, raspberry, caramel dip, milk chocolate, PB chocolate, blueberry, orange cremescicle....This is where I order it online: (2# tub $21.95) *check as prices of all whey has gone up recetly like everything w increased fule costs!!! http://www.a1nutritionproducts.com/buy/pvl/whey_gourmet

 

Most 120 cal 23g protein a scoop 2.6 g carbs 2 g fat.... 15 Flavors to choose from and more to come!

 

NEW Arctic Cappuccino Frappe, NEW Creamy Dreamy Milk Chocolate, NEW Radical Raspberry Smoothie, Piña Colada Breeze, Creamy Orangesicle Swirl, Creamy Caramel Dip, Dark Chocolate Mousse, Mocha Java Madness, Smooth Peanut Butter Chocolate, Strawberry Banana Smoothy, Blueberry Burst, Chocolate Chip Mint Extreme, Vanilla Ice Cream Royale, Silky Smooth White Chocolate, Rootbeer Float, Cookies & Crème Supreme.

 

SAMPLES no one has them I can find anymore beth ued to have them but she is going out of business now.

 

 

 

Runners up: Champion Pure Whey stack chocolate, banana scream or strawberry are good

 

Labrada PV 60 vanilla is good

 

IDS cinnamon/vanilla, mocha, Belgian chocolate

 

The Nectars (fruit based) they also have a cappuccino my hubby loves! Strawberry-kiwi, fuzzy navel, Caribbean cooler, apple, lemonade etc….

 

ANYWHEY is an unflavored protein. You can cook with it too!

 

(***70 calories a scoop/0g fat/1g carb (no sugar carbs)/17 G protein)

 

60 scoops/container

 

http://www.optimumnutrition.com/anywhey/default.html they have recipes!

 

I think 34g protein for 2 scoops/140 calories is DARN GOOD!

 

Made by optimum nutrition.

 

GNC carries it I beleive.

 

or online many places but I use this site frequently.

 

http://www.netrition.com/optimum_any_whey_page.html

 

$22.95/2.7lb container

 

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The key is find what you like, add water/ice use the magic bullet for a smoothie consistency, spruce w/ extracts SF syrup, a little sf jello or pudding powder and voila! I now use 2-3 frozen strawberries or 1/4c pumpkin in shakes also (watch calorie and sugar in beginning stages!) Skies the limit! I have over 24 sf syrups, 5 flavors of protein at any time! It doesn’t get boring! Happy Sampling!!! ___________________________
Caramel dipped apple shake:
3/4 scoop pvl whey gourmet caramel dip protein
3/4 scop syntrax nectar apple ecstasy
6 ice cubes
6 squirts (+/-) sugar free caramel syrup
Water to fill magic bullet mug (~5-7 oz)
Whizz up in mb blender yummy!
I also add 1 scoop (500mg) upcald and 1t ground golden flax seed to my shakes 
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Jamie's berrylicious shake:
 

 

3 frozen strawberries
4 ice cubes
30g of protein powder (i love pvl whey gourmet's vanilla/white chocolate or raspberry) ~1.5 scoops
1 glug/splash of davinic's sf coconut, almond & strawberry syrups
1 tablespoon of flax seed groud (optional this is my fiber but adds nutty flavor!)
6-7oz of sf kooliad any flavor (cherry/fruitpunch/strawberry etc, i like walmart brand strawberry best!)
*1 tsp sf/ff of one of the following flavors: white chocolate/cheesecake/vanilla pudding also for a thicker shake (optional)
 

 

Mix all in magic bullet blender...vaaroom!
Awesome for a pre workout boost! Note strawberries do add carbs!
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Jamie's pumpkinlicious shake:
 

 

5 ice cubes
1/4 cup plain canned pumpkin (keep rest in fridge for more shakes!)
30g protein powder (~1.5 scoops) i like pvl whey gourmet vanilla or white chocolate for this best
Few dashes of either cinnamon/nutmeg or pumpkin pie spice to taste
2 glugs/splashes of either: sf davinics spice blend or gingerbread syrup 
1 t flasx seed groung (*optional my fiber but goes well!)
 

 

Whizz up in magic bullet! Yummy! Like pumpkin pie almost! :-)
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Peach melba protein shake
 

 

1 scoop syntrax nectar fuzzy navel (which is peach flavored)
6 ice cubes
1/4 cup frozen raspberries
3 squirts peach sf syrup
3 squirts raspberry sf syrup (may use 6 squirts of one or other also)
Water to fill mb mug (or some raspberry ice cyrstal lite!)
 

 

Mix in mb blender yummy!
I also add 1t golden ground flax seed and 1 scoop (500mg) upcal d caclium citrate powder to my shakes!
Enjoy 
Holiday Eggnog shake
 

 

6-7 ice cubes
1 svoop white chocolate protein PVL brand
7-8 squirts davincis eggnog sf syrup
3 dashs nutmeg
1 tsp sf/ff white choc pudding powder
1 scoop upcal D
water to fill Magic Bullet mug
whiz around! YUMMY!
 

 

  

 http://www.wheyprotein.com/sec2.html

 

Protein has special characteristics and benefits

 

Humans (and other living creatures) are an accumulation of swift-moving microscopic molecules organized into precise patterns that comprise cells, tissue and organs. The structure remains the same, while the parts are constantly being replaced. Protein's importance in this structure - and the proper kinds, amounts and frequency of this nutrient - should not be underestimated. Here are seven critical functions of protein that affect humans of every age, from birth to death.

 

Protein promotes new cell growth throughout the body. Existing in a constant state of growth and repair, the body uses protein to create and replace hair, skin and muscles. Protein is of extreme significance in maintaining healthy bones - especially in accordance with the aging process. Protein propels the body's catabolism/anabolism cycle. This cycle is crucial to physically active people. Exercising causes muscle tissue to be broken down in a process called catabolism, and restored in a process called anabolism. Increasing protein intake in the anabolic mode helps the body form new muscle tissue as well as repair/rebuild existing tissue. (Rest and recovery also contribute greatly to the effectiveness of exercising.) Participating in regular exercise without consuming sufficient protein can move the body into a catabolic (muscle wasting) state. Protein increases metabolism. Due to the chemical reactions associated with the digestion, absorption and storage of food, a person's metabolic rate increases after eating a meal. Certain amino acids found in protein directly stimulate these after-meal cellular processes. A high-protein meal raises metabolism about 25%, compared with a 5% boost after a high-carbohydrate meal. Protein helps monitor water balance. The water comprising the majority of the body is found between and within cells as well as inside the vascular system (i.e., capillaries, veins and arteries). Proteins are hydrophilic, meaning they are attracted to water. Thus, working with certain minerals, they help regulate the correct amount of water in each area of the body. A diet deficient in protein results in depleted proteins in the blood. Without enough protein to attach to water in the vascular spaces, the water leaks out into the spaces between the cells, causing edema, or water retention, due to the kidney's inability to excrete it. Protein strengthens the immune system. Protein is critical for a healthy immune system. Dietary protein produces proteins called antibodies, which live in the blood and combat disease. When the body is attacked by viruses, bacteria or other foreign intruders, antibodies deactivate the intruders, thereby preventing the disease. Amazingly, the body's cells retain a molecular memory of the antibodies used in an invasion, to be used the next time that infection sets in. Thus, once protein helps the body fight off disease the first time, it continues to thwart that condition in the future. Protein maintains nitrogen balance. Of the four energy nutrients - carbohydrates, protein, fat and alcohol - only protein contains nitrogen, which is critical in repairing, rebuilding, growing muscle tissue, fighting infections, handling stress and staying healthy. Nitrogen is constantly depleted in sweat, urine and feces, making it necessary to ingest enough protein to keep the body in a state of positive nitrogen balance. The maintenance of this crucial equilibrium is the foundation of many nutritionally sound, doctor-prescribed lifestyle diets prescribing the frequent intake of light, protein-rich meals throughout the day, compared with the traditional, heavier, breakfast-lunch-dinner mode. The higher the quality of the protein (as measured by Biological Value), the more nitrogen is absorbed and retained by the body.* Protein maintains life. Without sufficient protein, the body cannot perform the full spectrum of structural and biochemical reactions required for normal cardiovascular function, muscle contraction, healing, growth and recovery from illness/stress.

 

* Decades ago, it was erroneously thought that nitrogen retention was dependent on free-form amino acids. Later, scientists dubbed this myth "Protein's Gigantic Error" when it was proven that healthy human stomachs can absorb short chains of amino acids in an intact form, without having to digest them. Up to 70% of the nitrogen in the bloodstream derives from peptides, not free-form amino acids.

 

If you want a document on protein I have email me at [email protected] I will send it is from the OSSG PRotein group. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/OSSG-Protein/
Take Care,
Jamie Ellis RN MS NPP

100cm proximal Lap RNY 10/9/02 Dr. Singh Albany, NY
320(preop)/163(lowest)/185(current)  5'9'' (lost 45# before surgery)
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AndiCandy
on 6/2/07 9:00 pm - NY
wow i've never heard a surgeon say that right out of surgery, but uhhh im not sure i'd trust that information. Protein is what heals us in the very beginning and you need to get in more then you'll be able to that's for sure. I enjoyed AchieveOne which are 120 calories and 20 grams of protein.  You can go to www.C2Linfo.com and they will sell you a sampler pack. It's a store in Fishkill, NY that caters to bariatric patients, fabulous place owned by two woman who have had bariatric surgery. ANDI
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